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Tier1 Ent to ILR route - 5 years completion

Post by capricon918 » Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:23 pm

Hello people 8)

Hope you all are doing good. This is my first post in the group. I have discussed it with couple of my friends as well but not satisfied as I am getting different answers from different people which also include some solicitors.

My situation is as follows: :arrow:

I am on Tier1 Entrepreneur visa (50k) route. I have successfully extended my visa and now my ILR application is due in Aug 2018. My wife has her dependent visa valid till Feb 2019.

Do I need to have an income of 18600 if I am sending both the applications together?

Reason for thinking this is because my visa after renewal will be ILR and I think it is one of the requirements as the visa for wife will also change from dependent to spouse visa?

Am I correct? :idea:

Many thanks in advance to all for their help n suggestions.

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Re: Tier1 Ent to ILR route - 5 years completion

Post by marcnath » Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:29 am

capricon918 wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:23 pm
Hello people 8)

Hope you all are doing good. This is my first post in the group. I have discussed it with couple of my friends as well but not satisfied as I am getting different answers from different people which also include some solicitors.

My situation is as follows: :arrow:

I am on Tier1 Entrepreneur visa (50k) route. I have successfully extended my visa and now my ILR application is due in Aug 2018. My wife has her dependent visa valid till Feb 2019.

Do I need to have an income of 18600 if I am sending both the applications together?

Reason for thinking this is because my visa after renewal will be ILR and I think it is one of the requirements as the visa for wife will also change from dependent to spouse visa?

Am I correct? :idea:

Many thanks in advance to all for their help n suggestions.
No, you are wrong.

Your wife does not have to change her visa. In fact, if you apply to change her visa, her five year clock will restart. She will continue on PBS dependant visa even after you get your ILR.
There is no income requirement for TiE Route.
Why are you thinking of applying together ? When is she getting to 5 years ? Renewing before her visa expiry may mean you end up paying for one Visa application too many.
My comments are in no way meant to be advisory. I have no professional knowledge of immigration. These are based on my own experience, convictions and personal interpretation of publicly available information.

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Re: Tier1 Ent to ILR route - 5 years completion

Post by CR001 » Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:39 am

On what basis are you applying for ILR, 5 years PBS or 10 years long residence?
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Re: Tier1 Ent to ILR route - 5 years completion

Post by capricon918 » Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:57 am

Hi

Many thanks for your responses.

I am applying ILR on the basis of completing 5 years on Tier1 Ent visa. My wife is here for about 3 months and her visa is valid till Feb 19 (which is same as mine) but my 5 years will be completed in Aug 2018 as i received my initial Tier1 Ent visa in Aug 2013.

So as per your suggestions there is no requirement of £18600 annual income even if I send her visa in Feb next year for renewal.

The only reason I was thinking about sending the application together is that in this way we both can get our passports back at the same time rather then me receiving it after 4-5 months and then by that time her renewal is due anyway?

Hope i have clarified my situation.

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Re: Tier1 Ent to ILR route - 5 years completion

Post by marcnath » Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:22 am

capricon918 wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:57 am
Hi

Many thanks for your responses.

I am applying ILR on the basis of completing 5 years on Tier1 Ent visa. My wife is here for about 3 months and her visa is valid till Feb 19 (which is same as mine) but my 5 years will be completed in Aug 2018 as i received my initial Tier1 Ent visa in Aug 2013.

So as per your suggestions there is no requirement of £18600 annual income even if I send her visa in Feb next year for renewal.

The only reason I was thinking about sending the application together is that in this way we both can get our passports back at the same time rather then me receiving it after 4-5 months and then by that time her renewal is due anyway?

Hope i have clarified my situation.
OK.
On her visa renewal, whether it is with your application or separately in Feb, she will get another three years. So, the only question is whether she will complete her five years within that new period (expect that to end around April 2022 if you apply in Feb). Since she has been here only for three months, that is unlikely, so there will be a need for one more extension. So, it does not really matter too much if you apply together or separately.
Remember to keep using the PBS dependant form and not the FLR (M) form for her visa extension. Using the FLR(M) will reset her 5 year clock.
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Re: Tier1 Ent to ILR route - 5 years completion

Post by capricon918 » Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:34 am

Thanks fr your reply

So that means there is no requirement of £18600 income as she will be on dependent visa and not a spouse visa. :)

Am i correct?

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Re: Tier1 Ent to ILR route - 5 years completion

Post by CR001 » Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:40 am

capricon918 wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:34 am
Thanks fr your reply

So that means there is no requirement of £18600 income as she will be on dependent visa and not a spouse visa. :)

Am i correct?
Yes!!
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Re: Tier1 Ent to ILR route - 5 years completion

Post by raj.m » Sat Mar 10, 2018 1:36 am

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Sat Mar 10, 2018 12:42 am
Hello lovely people

Hope you guys are all doing good. 8)

was just having a discussion with one of the friends about the job creation criteria and we both had different interpretations... can the GURUS please help by clarifying some details... :idea:

My understanding of the guidance is as follows: :arrow:

Under transitional arrangements, 2 part time jobs (as far as combined together they make 30 hours) can be combined to claim 1 full time job and does not have to last for 12 months as this rule was made after 6 April 2014.

Also in the same way if employee A (who is a part time worker) leaves the job and from the next day is replaced by another employee under the same designation but still part time can continue working and a job will not be broken. Again this is only under the transitional arrangements. :idea:

His understanding was ...... 2 part time jobs can be combined to claim 1 full time job but they both need to last for 12 months together even with transitional arrangements and minimum hours for 1 part time worker has to be 15 hours.... if a part time worker is doing any hours which are less then 15, cannot be combined with any other part time worker to claim a full time job... (No clue where in guidance this 15 hours minimum is mentioned)

For the second part, his understanding was that if a part time worker leaves a job and if he/she is replaced by another person, the job will break and could not be claimed with any other part time job to make 1 FT job even if this is with transitional arrangements in place.. :shock:



Can the gurus please shed some light on this and clarify some information...

Your valuable opinions are highly appreciated.
Ok, both of the interpretations are wrong, in my opinion.

For someone who is covered by the transitional arrangements, all they need for the ILR application in terms of job creation is 24 months of full time employment or equivalent. What it means is from your extension visa approval date till the time you're applying for ILR, you need to have an equivalent of a minimum of 30 hours per week for a minimum of 104 weeks (24 months = 52 weeks x 2).

Now you can achieve this in many ways. You can two full time employees working 30 hours a week for 12 months each. You can one full time employee working 30 hours a week for 18 months and another for 6 months. One full time employee for 22 months and another full time for 2 months. One full time employee for 10 months and two part time employees working the same period for 14 months and their combined hours adding up to a minimum of 30 hours a week. You can have four full time employees for six months. Basically you can have any combination that you want. The bottom line is you need 24 months or 104 weeks worth of full time employment.

The minimum 12 months rule don't apply to those under transitional arrangements.

The thing to be careful of: for instance, you have one part time employee working 25 hours a week and another part time employee working 25 hours a week, and a third employee who is full time working 40 hours a week. This will only give you one week's worth of two full time jobs. You can't add their hours together (25+25+40 = 90 hours) and say this is equivalent of one week's worth of 3 employments. When you combine two or more jobs to create a full time employment, any hours in excess of 30 hours are ignored. So, in this example, the two part timers will have a combined 50 hours a week but only 30 will be considered and the remaining 20 will get ignored. Same with the full time employee in this example - only 30 will be considered and the remaining 10 will be ignored.

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Re: Tier1 Ent to ILR route - 5 years completion

Post by capricon918 » Sat Mar 10, 2018 11:00 am

so basically in a nutshell...

2 part time job which have to exist for 12 continuous months is not a rule which is applicable to those who are under transitional arrangements.

for ILR, the requirement in relation to job creation is to create it for 24 months with any possible combinations and the thing to consider is that any hours of more then 30 a week will be ignored. There will be no break in job even if a part time person is replaced by another part time person. As far as the 2 part time jobs accumulate more then 30 hours a week, the criteria will be met. :arrow:

is this interpretation of the guidance and comments is correct? :idea:

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Re: Tier1 Ent to ILR route - 5 years completion

Post by marcnath » Sat Mar 10, 2018 12:26 pm

capricon918 wrote:
Sat Mar 10, 2018 11:00 am
so basically in a nutshell...

2 part time job which have to exist for 12 continuous months is not a rule which is applicable to those who are under transitional arrangements.
Yes. But note that even under the new rules it does not have to be continuous.
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for ILR, the requirement in relation to job creation is to create it for 24 months with any possible combinations and the thing to consider is that any hours of more then 30 a week will be ignored. There will be no break in job even if a part time person is replaced by another part time person. As far as the 2 part time jobs accumulate more then 30 hours a week, the criteria will be met. :arrow:

is this interpretation of the guidance and comments is correct? :idea:
Correct
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Re: Tier1 Ent to ILR route - 5 years completion

Post by capricon918 » Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:44 pm

Thanks all :)

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