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FLRM Spouse Visa Extension Refused

Post by katie1989 » Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:21 pm

I applied under Category F to extend my FLRM spouse visa. My husband was my sponsor. He has a private limited Company and withdraw salary and dividends. The refusal reason is The Address on business bank statements and Personal Bank statements do not match.

The business bank statement had the address to which the company is registered to and the personal bank statements had our house address. Our understanding was that this is pretty standard and company doesn't need to have the same address as your house address.

Does anyone know if there is such a requirement in the Guidance where it mentions that business and personal bank statement address must match? What options do we have now? Thanks

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Re: FLRM Spouse Visa Extension Refused

Post by ILR2015-2016 » Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:41 pm

katie1989 wrote:
Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:21 pm
I applied under Category F to extend my FLRM spouse visa. My husband was my sponsor. He has a private limited Company and withdraw salary and dividends. The refusal reason is The Address on business bank statements and Personal Bank statements do not match.

The business bank statement had the address to which the company is registered to and the personal bank statements had our house address. Our understanding was that this is pretty standard and company doesn't need to have the same address as your house address.

Does anyone know if there is such a requirement in the Guidance where it mentions that business and personal bank statement address must match? What options do we have now? Thanks
Sorry to hear about your refusal. What date you applied for your extension ?
Have you got appeal rights?

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Re: FLRM Spouse Visa Extension Refused

Post by katie1989 » Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:55 pm

ILR2015-2016 wrote:
Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:41 pm
Sorry to hear about your refusal. What date you applied for your extension ?
Have you got appeal rights?
I applied on 8th Jan 2018 and received a refusal on 27 March 2018. They have not given a right of appeal and have asked to leave the country within 28 days.

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Re: FLRM Spouse Visa Extension Refused

Post by ILR2015-2016 » Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:58 pm

katie1989 wrote:
Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:55 pm
ILR2015-2016 wrote:
Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:41 pm
Sorry to hear about your refusal. What date you applied for your extension ?
Have you got appeal rights?
I applied on 8th Jan 2018 and received a refusal on 27 March 2018. They have not given a right of appeal and have asked to leave the country within 28 days.
You will have to follow the judicial review process.
1) pap against ho
They might reconsider on thus stage

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Re: FLRM Spouse Visa Extension Refused

Post by Star101 » Fri Mar 30, 2018 12:04 am

Hi Katie
How can they refuse on this basis this is doesn't make any sense because Business bank statement should have business address and personal bank statement should have personal address . I believe every has the same situation
or is there any other reason for refusal
I need to apply next month I am having the same situation
just read your comments and got confused
please can you give me more details what exactly your situation was.. and what documents you submitted
thanks

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Re: FLRM Spouse Visa Extension Refused

Post by equitydealer » Fri Mar 30, 2018 11:06 am

Can you provide the exact wording of the refusal
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Re: FLRM Spouse Visa Extension Refused

Post by katie1989 » Fri Mar 30, 2018 12:14 pm

Star101 wrote:
Fri Mar 30, 2018 12:04 am
Hi Katie
How can they refuse on this basis this is doesn't make any sense because Business bank statement should have business address and personal bank statement should have personal address . I believe every has the same situation
or is there any other reason for refusal
I need to apply next month I am having the same situation
just read your comments and got confused
please can you give me more details what exactly your situation was.. and what documents you submitted
thanks
We submitted a long list of documents including CT600, payslips, dividends, accounts, letter from accountant for full company's financial year as well as on going same set of documents.

I knew that Category F was not going to be straight forward therefore I was planning from over 12 months just to get the things right. Home Office didn't mention that there was a document missing, but they have stated that the refusal is based on the grounds that the financial evidence from bank statements cannot be considered due to address being different on personal and business bank statements.

I would appreciate if someone could guide us as to what options do we have now? HO hasn't given a right of appeal either.

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Re: FLRM Spouse Visa Extension Refused

Post by katie1989 » Fri Mar 30, 2018 3:40 pm

equitydealer wrote:
Fri Mar 30, 2018 11:06 am
Can you provide the exact wording of the refusal
We have submitted our documents to a solicitor to review our case. The wordings of the refusal wasn't too different from what I have already described.

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Re: FLRM Spouse Visa Extension Refused

Post by katie1989 » Fri Mar 30, 2018 4:09 pm

You will have to follow the judicial review process.
1) pap against ho
They might reconsider on thus stage
Thank you for your response, what is Pap?

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Re: FLRM Spouse Visa Extension Refused

Post by Casa » Fri Mar 30, 2018 4:32 pm

katie1989 wrote:
Fri Mar 30, 2018 4:09 pm
You will have to follow the judicial review process.
1) pap against ho
They might reconsider on thus stage
Thank you for your response, what is Pap?
PAP = Pre-action Protocol

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... ial-review
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Re: FLRM Spouse Visa Extension Refused

Post by katie1989 » Fri Mar 30, 2018 5:46 pm

Do you believe they refused in error and PaP will be helpful?
Have you come across anything in the Guidance which states the personal and business statement addresses must match?

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Re: FLRM Spouse Visa Extension Refused

Post by Casa » Fri Mar 30, 2018 6:12 pm

katie1989 wrote:
Fri Mar 30, 2018 5:46 pm
Do you believe they refused in error and PaP will be helpful?
Have you come across anything in the Guidance which states the personal and business statement addresses must match?
I simply posted the details for a PAP. There are others on the forum better placed to advise on this.
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Re: FLRM Spouse Visa Extension Refused

Post by katie1989 » Sun Apr 01, 2018 10:11 am

You will have to follow the judicial review process.
1) pap against ho
They might reconsider on thus stage
Sorry I didn't understand on what stage they would consider? What will be grounds on which HO will allow in this situation? They have already refused why would they reconsider?

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Re: FLRM Spouse Visa Extension Refused

Post by vinny » Sun Apr 01, 2018 10:30 am

There doesn't appear to be a requirement that the business address must match the home address.
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Re: FLRM Spouse Visa Extension Refused

Post by vinny » Sun Apr 01, 2018 10:45 am

Appeal anyway. Let the tribunial judge decide if you have the right of appeal.
Form IAFT-1: Appeal a visa or immigration decision (within the UK) wrote:Your appeal form must be received at the Administrative Support Centre no later than 14 Calendar days after you are sent the Refusal Letter by the Home Office.
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Re: FLRM Spouse Visa Extension Refused

Post by katie1989 » Sun Apr 01, 2018 10:56 am

vinny wrote:
Sun Apr 01, 2018 10:45 am
Appeal anyway. Let the tribunial judge decide if you have the right of appeal.
Form IAFT-1: Appeal a visa or immigration decision (within the UK) wrote:Your appeal form must be received at the Administrative Support Centre no later than 14 Calendar days after you are sent the Refusal Letter by the Home Office.
Thank you for your response, unfortunately we have not been given the right of appeal.

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Re: FLRM Spouse Visa Extension Refused

Post by vinny » Sun Apr 01, 2018 11:00 am

That may not be up to a Home Office caseworker to decide.
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Re: FLRM Spouse Visa Extension Refused

Post by Obie » Sun Apr 01, 2018 2:51 pm

vinny wrote:
Sun Apr 01, 2018 10:45 am
Appeal anyway. Let the tribunial judge decide if you have the right of appeal.
Form IAFT-1: Appeal a visa or immigration decision (within the UK) wrote:Your appeal form must be received at the Administrative Support Centre no later than 14 Calendar days after you are sent the Refusal Letter by the Home Office.
If she received a certificate under section 94, which I guess she would have received, then such step will be futile.

If however she did not receive it, then the notice of decision saying she has to right of appeal is invalid and she will be entitled to pursue an in country right of appeal.
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Re: FLRM Spouse Visa Extension Refused

Post by vinny » Sun Apr 01, 2018 3:37 pm

Thanks, Obie.

Is this another example of the absurdity of the current appeal system? When an applicant under Appendix FM cannot appeal under human rights (against a caseworker’s mistakes under the Immigration rules)? AR is unavailable.

Under what circumstances would an extension application under Appendix FM not involve human rights?

Katie1989, did the refusal mention Section 94?

However, even a Section 94 certification may itself be unlawful.
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Re: FLRM Spouse Visa Extension Refused

Post by Obie » Sun Apr 01, 2018 3:43 pm

vinny wrote:
Sun Apr 01, 2018 3:37 pm

However, even a Section 94 certification may itself be unlawful.
Indeed, it will clearly be unlawful, but the only way it can be challenged is through Judicial Review.

If the Secretary of State had been quite on appeal matters, then she would have been entitled to file a notice of Appeal.

If feel sorry for OP, as I can find no legal basis on which the refusal can be grounded.
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Re: FLRM Spouse Visa Extension Refused

Post by seagul » Sun Apr 01, 2018 9:55 pm

In my guess the caseworker might have assumed to the different addressed bank statement as part of cohabitation evidence instead considering under financial requirement where address doesn't matter.
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