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Help with FLR(M) form

Post by naz173 » Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:26 pm

Hi all

We have our premium service appointment this Thursday and would be grateful for some help on the form, I know I'm overthinking everything but keen not to make any silly errors, so apologies for the lengthy post in advance. We are filling the form in by hand in hard copy.

1. I had prepared the form in advance using the 04/2017 version. Noticed that 04/2018 has just been released - does anyone know what the major differences are or if we can just straight copy from the previous version?

2. Payment details - we had paid the IHS and visa fee (both basic visa fee and additional amount for premium service) online when making the booking. Do we still have to complete the payment details on page 7?

3. Other forms I have filled in which are checked electronically require you to put "N/A" in spaces which are not applicable. Is this required for FLR(m) or can non applicable fields just be left blank? For example, 6.19 requires an address if different from the address given in 1.14 but if it's the same, OK to just leave blank or should we say "same address as 1.14"?

4. Question 1.9 and 3.4 - have trawled through the internet for hours trying to find an answer to no avail. What counts as nationality? I am the sponsor, a British Citizen for 20 years. However, I was born overseas and moved over here when I was 6 months old on my father's student visa. I have never held any other passport other than a UK passport, but was technically on my mother's documents for the first few years of being here before we obtained British citizenship. Similarly, my husband only has a US passport, but his parents are from Lebanon and he has the right to travel freely to and from Lebanon by virtue of his parent's citizenship. Is he classed as being a Lebanese national?

5. Question 3.16 and 3.17 - date sponsor obtained settlement. This one is patchy as my parents can't find our old documents with dates. Long story short, my father was studying here and my mum and kids were here as his dependents. We obtained exceptional leave to remain (due to conflicts in home country) in 1990, shortly followed by ILR in 1992, and then British citizenship in 1997. There's not enough space in 3.17 to explain all of that, so which bit counts as settlement? ELR, ILR or citizenship?

6. Question 5.2 - when did you first enter the UK legally? - Applicant has been here for 2.5 years on a Tier 2 sponsored visa. Should the date here be the date he arrived in the UK on his Tier 2? He was in the UK for 2 months about 6 months prior to obtaining a Tier 2 visa, and also studied here for 6 months on his masters programme some years before that. Is it asking for the first ever date he came to the UK (when he was a student), or the date he arrived on his current entry clearance (tier 2)?

7. Question 6.7 - would the 2 months the applicant was here as a visitor count towards the time?

8. Question 7.3 - financial requirement. I as the sponsor earn sufficient income by myself to satisfy this requirement (approx. 3 times the minimum requirement). My husband has been working in the UK on tier 2 sponsored visa for the last 2.5 years, but lost his job a couple of weeks ago after we booked the appointed to transfer his visa over to a spouse visa. His last payslip was March and he won't be receiving any further payslips. As he is technically no longer employed, should I leave his details out of section 7 and just include my employment income?

9. Section 14 declarations - we do not have shared bank accounts, however our council tax, water and internet are in joint names and we have submitted bills for these are proof of address. Does the sponsor therefore have to sign this declaration on page 68?


Thanks in advance for your help!

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Re: Help with FLR(M) form

Post by naz173 » Mon Apr 23, 2018 3:28 pm

Hi all

Apologies, I know this forum is super busy but anxiety levels are super high ahead of this Thursday and still being stuck on a few questions.

If anyone is able to come back to me today or tomorrow I'll be eternally grateful!

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Re: Help with FLR(M) form

Post by CR001 » Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:57 am

1. I had prepared the form in advance using the 04/2017 version. Noticed that 04/2018 has just been released - does anyone know what the major differences are or if we can just straight copy from the previous version?
Any reason why you cannot compare the two forms to check for differences??
2. Payment details - we had paid the IHS and visa fee (both basic visa fee and additional amount for premium service) online when making the booking. Do we still have to complete the payment details on page 7?
Leave blank.
3. Other forms I have filled in which are checked electronically require you to put "N/A" in spaces which are not applicable. Is this required for FLR(m) or can non applicable fields just be left blank? For example, 6.19 requires an address if different from the address given in 1.14 but if it's the same, OK to just leave blank or should we say "same address as 1.14"?
Leave blank. The question is pretty clear.
4. Question 1.9 and 3.4 - have trawled through the internet for hours trying to find an answer to no avail. What counts as nationality? I am the sponsor, a British Citizen for 20 years. However, I was born overseas and moved over here when I was 6 months old on my father's student visa. I have never held any other passport other than a UK passport, but was technically on my mother's documents for the first few years of being here before we obtained British citizenship. Similarly, my husband only has a US passport, but his parents are from Lebanon and he has the right to travel freely to and from Lebanon by virtue of his parent's citizenship. Is he classed as being a Lebanese national?
Where were you born?? Presumably your birth was registered in your birth country so you would be a citizen, unless your birth country doesn't allow dual citizenship. Husband likely only a US citizen.
5. Question 3.16 and 3.17 - date sponsor obtained settlement. This one is patchy as my parents can't find our old documents with dates. Long story short, my father was studying here and my mum and kids were here as his dependents. We obtained exceptional leave to remain (due to conflicts in home country) in 1990, shortly followed by ILR in 1992, and then British citizenship in 1997. There's not enough space in 3.17 to explain all of that, so which bit counts as settlement? ELR, ILR or citizenship?
The month/year you got ILR (which is settlement) so 1992. for 3.17, you can state 'exception leave to remain due to conflict in home country'.
6. Question 5.2 - when did you first enter the UK legally? - Applicant has been here for 2.5 years on a Tier 2 sponsored visa. Should the date here be the date he arrived in the UK on his Tier 2? He was in the UK for 2 months about 6 months prior to obtaining a Tier 2 visa, and also studied here for 6 months on his masters programme some years before that. Is it asking for the first ever date he came to the UK (when he was a student), or the date he arrived on his current entry clearance (tier 2)?
Arrival date on Tier 2.
7. Question 6.7 - would the 2 months the applicant was here as a visitor count towards the time?
You could state it but likely from Tier 2 time.
8. Question 7.3 - financial requirement. I as the sponsor earn sufficient income by myself to satisfy this requirement (approx. 3 times the minimum requirement). My husband has been working in the UK on tier 2 sponsored visa for the last 2.5 years, but lost his job a couple of weeks ago after we booked the appointed to transfer his visa over to a spouse visa. His last payslip was March and he won't be receiving any further payslips. As he is technically no longer employed, should I leave his details out of section 7 and just include my employment income?
Yes, should be fine.
9. Section 14 declarations - we do not have shared bank accounts, however our council tax, water and internet are in joint names and we have submitted bills for these are proof of address. Does the sponsor therefore have to sign this declaration on page 68?
Yes, ANY bills that are jointly named means that the sponsor has to sign to give HO permission to check records.
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Re: Help with FLR(M) form

Post by naz173 » Tue Apr 24, 2018 11:55 am

Many thanks, CR001.

It looks like the only difference between 04-2018 and 04-2017 is the fees stated at the beginning of the form. I have re-filled the current 2018 form, but now I'm worried about the fees. We paid the fees upfront at the time of booking the premium appointment, but they've now gone up. So by ticking the new fee on the 2018 it's not actually accurate as we only paid £993 for the visa fee back in March (plus premium service fee and the IHS applicable at that time). Is this likely to cause an issue?

I was born in Iraq but have lived in the UK since I was 4 months old. I was on my mother's passport until we obtained UK Citizenship but have never visited or lived in Iraq since arriving in the UK as a baby. You can't have Iraqi/UK dual citizenship. The question asks "have you EVER held any other nationality", and I'm not sure what to put here. I guess, technically yes? Before I became a British, I had to be something else right??

Apparently Husband had a Lebanese passport as a child, which has since been expired for over 15 years, so I think we need to declare that has him holding a previous nationality?

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Re: Help with FLR(M) form

Post by CR001 » Tue Apr 24, 2018 12:38 pm

It looks like the only difference between 04-2018 and 04-2017 is the fees stated at the beginning of the form. I have re-filled the current 2018 form, but now I'm worried about the fees. We paid the fees upfront at the time of booking the premium appointment, but they've now gone up. So by ticking the new fee on the 2018 it's not actually accurate as we only paid £993 for the visa fee back in March (plus premium service fee and the IHS applicable at that time). Is this likely to cause an issue?
No need to pay extra fee if you have already paid when you booked online.
I was born in Iraq but have lived in the UK since I was 4 months old. I was on my mother's passport until we obtained UK Citizenship but have never visited or lived in Iraq since arriving in the UK as a baby. You can't have Iraqi/UK dual citizenship. The question asks "have you EVER held any other nationality", and I'm not sure what to put here. I guess, technically yes? Before I became a British, I had to be something else right??
You should declare your Iraqi nationality.
Apparently Husband had a Lebanese passport as a child, which has since been expired for over 15 years, so I think we need to declare that has him holding a previous nationality?
Simply state the additional nationalities. It won't affect the application.
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FLR (M) Success!!!

Post by naz173 » Sun Apr 29, 2018 4:39 pm

Hi all

Again, not enough thank yous for the team on this forum - the amount of help and info on here is amazing.

We successfully got the first FLR(M) spouse visa this week.

In case helpful, this was our experience:

- applicant was switching from tier 2 to spouse visa;
- sponsor is a British citizen

Documents supplied:

- application form - filled in by hand. If you are booking a premium service centre appointment, don't bother filling out the payments page as all fees will have been paid in advance at the time of booking. They gave the completed page back to us and replaced it with a blank page (lucky we had a spare blank application form with us).
- sponsor support letter - this was more to explain the sponsor's salary and payslips as there were periods of unpaid leave taken a few months ago. Also explained the issues mentioned above re being born in a different country but holding no other passports etc.
- marriage certificate
- official copy of the title registry together with the last annual mortgage statement, and letter from the estate agent that sold the flat to the sponsor confirming number of bedrooms and living rooms in property (this was sufficient instead of a property inspection report or survey);
- 3 letters in joint names to our address (Thames water, council tax and broadband bills), and 4 additional letters each (from each of our banks with statements, hospital letters, electricity bills, HMRC letter, letter from pension provider and mobile phone bills;
- photos of our wedding (only 4 as figured less important if we had a marriage certificate;
- sponsor's employer's letter confirming salary and period of employment and certifying payslips and last year's p60.
- sponsor's employment contract;
- bank statement showing sponsor's salary - this was a copy printed in branch and stamped on every page (Nationwide).


What took more time than anything was putting post-it notes on every document explaining what section of the immigration rules it satisfied, tabbing bank statements showing salary, putting each document in a different plastic wallet and having everything presented in a neat tabbed divider folder. WASTE OF TIME. They made us take every single paper clip, post-it note and sticky tab off. They didn't even want section dividers, just one complete pile of originals. Taking everything off took about 15 minutes alone! Keep things simple and just put everything in one pile in a logical order in accordance with the relevant sections of the application form.

WASTE OF TIME number 2 - I thought I'd be super keen and make a copy of absolutely everything we submitted, included each and every single page of both the applicant and sponsor's passports. Thinking that would cut down the amount of waiting time. It didn't, and next time I won't do this! Copies aren't required and we're paying enough in fees let alone copying costs and killing trees! Our appointment was at 9am, and by the time we queued for a ticket at reception, did biometrics and waited for our number to be called for the answer was exactly 3 hours. We left the premium service centre at 12pm having arrived at 8.30.

Super pleased with the result though, and getting a same day answer was definitely worth it for a first time visa application to avoid all the anxiety.

Thanks to everyone on this forum again.

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