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How old were you when this ‘breach’ occurred?Olayinka89 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 6:50 am
I made an application for citizenship in September 2019 and today was refused under good character stating that I was working illegally between June 2012 (when my eea permit expired) and 2013 when a decision was reached. However, I have a letter from the home office stating that I could work.
Thank you for replying. I entered as a minor yes but when supposed breach occured I was 21. My concern is what case reference etc I can refer to as there was a 3 months gap between my EEA residence card expiring and me applying for PR. As stated the reason was because it was not a necessity to apply for PR then but I did due jobs etc...aman90 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:50 amHow old were you when this ‘breach’ occurred?Olayinka89 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 6:50 am
I made an application for citizenship in September 2019 and today was refused under good character stating that I was working illegally between June 2012 (when my eea permit expired) and 2013 when a decision was reached. However, I have a letter from the home office stating that I could work.
I presume you entered as a minor..
You are quite articulate so I don’t think you need a solicitor. You could request a reconsideration and attach the letter you hold.
However they claim that I was illegal for 18 months but I had started the job prior to it ending and they wrote to me in September that I could continue working. Also under the The Immigration (European Economic Area) Regulations 2006 that was relevant to me then, I did not need to apply for PR as it stated that I would automatically gain PR.Ifycamilla wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 2:01 pmYour 5 years PR expired in June 2012 and then you made a new application in September 2012, To me that looks like you were in the country illegally between June when your pr expired and when you made a new application in September. That may have have affected your good character. probably that's what they looked at.and also, during that period you were working and that to them is illegal....if you ask me, I would say your good character started counting from 2013.
Hi, they got married in 2003 and I believe divorce started in 2010 but not sure when it was finalised. When I was making the PR that was refused in 2012, my step mpther produced evidence that she exercised her treaty rights but it was refused as they did not believe I exercised mine which was odd as I had just finished university and was working.secret.simon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 3:19 pmWhen did your father marry your Swedish step-mother? When did they divorce (the approximate month/year of the decree absolute)?
Do you have proof that you were dependent on your Swedish step-mother from 2011/after your 21st birthday?
yes you are right but at that point 2012 there was no rule that I needed to apply for PR and the wait was only 3 months. The reason they refused BC now is that they said I should not have worked from then until 2013 when I switched from EU to UK (private life) but I have a letter from HO saying I was allowed to work.Ifycamilla wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 3:33 pmThe mistake there was that you allowed your 5 years RC to expire before making a new application...I'm talking out of experience. I don't see you winning the appeal.i know it's frustrating but personally I would advise you to wait till 2013. But wait and hear from Obie and other gurus on here.
Assuming that their marriage was recognised in the UK (and I assume that from the fact that they had to get divorced), you should apply for a PR Card based on your ex-step-mother exercising treaty rights for any five year continuous period between 2003 and 2010 and on you being less than 21 years of age (you have to prove dependency for any period after your 21st birthday).
Thank you so I do need to get a solicitor with this. Am I right in assuming that my ILR residency requirements differ from BC.secret.simon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 5:47 pmAssuming that their marriage was recognised in the UK (and I assume that from the fact that they had to get divorced), you should apply for a PR Card based on your ex-step-mother exercising treaty rights for any five year continuous period between 2003 and 2010 and on you being less than 21 years of age (you have to prove dependency for any period after your 21st birthday).
Then once you can demonstrate that you had PR from those circumstances, you should reapply for British citizenship as you would have had legal residence in the UK from 2003 onwards.
Perhaps, perhaps not.
Yes. While you have the right to reside indefinitely in the UK (ILR), British citizenship also requires you to be of good character, which includes the requirement that you should not have resided illegally in the UK at any time in the immediatly preceding ten years.Olayinka89 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 5:51 pmAm I right in assuming that my ILR residency requirements differ from BC.
Thank you very much. Makes more sense now. However back in 2012, I did apply for PR with those documents incl letter from Step mother as she had left UK with 2 half sisters. They still refused and stated that I should apply under private life which I did. So for the sake of 3 months from June 2012- Sept 2012 I have to wait until 2023...I just think that is absurd.secret.simon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 7:12 pmPerhaps, perhaps not.
You need to prove that you acquired PR automatically or retained the right of residence before your father divorced your Swedish step-mother. If you can prove that, then you were never illegally resident in the UK and you would meet the good character requirements.
You don't need a solicitor, but you do need a good amount of documentation.
a) Proof of your step-mother being an EEA citizen (ideally her passport from that period, etc).
b) Proof of her either exercising treaty rights or having already acquired PR (her DCPR, pay slips from that time, P60s, etc)
c) Proof of your relationship to her (your birth certificate and your father and her marriage certificate)
d) Proof that you were under 21 at the time (your birth certificate)
Once you have this documentation, you can then apply for a PR Card based on this evidence.
Once you have the PR Card, you can then apply for British citizenship.
Yes. While you have the right to reside indefinitely in the UK (ILR), British citizenship also requires you to be of good character, which includes the requirement that you should not have resided illegally in the UK at any time in the immediatly preceding ten years.Olayinka89 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 5:51 pmAm I right in assuming that my ILR residency requirements differ from BC.
It would have been very useful to state this very important fact in your original post. What date exactly did she leave the UK??Olayinka89 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 7:35 pmThank you very much. Makes more sense now. However back in 2012, I did apply for PR with those documents incl letter from Step mother as she had left UK with 2 half sisters. They still refused and stated that I should apply under private life which I did. So for the sake of 3 months from June 2012- Sept 2012 I have to wait until 2023...I just think that is absurd.
Hi, unfortunately I can't tell you the date she left the country as I went to uni to studied and was told of the divorce etc. I had already completed my 5 years prior to her leaving if that makes any difference.CR001 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 7:45 pmIt would have been very useful to state this very important fact in your original post. What date exactly did she leave the UK??Olayinka89 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 17, 2019 7:35 pmThank you very much. Makes more sense now. However back in 2012, I did apply for PR with those documents incl letter from Step mother as she had left UK with 2 half sisters. They still refused and stated that I should apply under private life which I did. So for the sake of 3 months from June 2012- Sept 2012 I have to wait until 2023...I just think that is absurd.
Your rights under the EEA/EU rules only remain in tact if the EU sponsor is in the UK exercising treaty rights and you are their dependent or part of their household. If your EU sponsor left the UK, your rights under the EEA/EU rules ceased on the date she left the UK.
You will likely only qualify for citizenship in 2023, 10 years from when you legalised your stay under the private life route.
Just five years residence as an EEA family member is not enough.