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Re: **** COVID19 and UKVCAS Biometrics Appointments **** (ONLY discuss here)

Post by going_dicey12 » Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:10 pm

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Tue Sep 08, 2020 8:28 pm
Although some of the applicants have been VERY lucky to receive very quick decisions after biometrics, you have to understand that NOT everyone get a quick decision and mileage may vary case to case.

Every case is decided on its own merits. You may think your case is straight forward but ANY single outstanding enquiry can cause delays/require more time.

I hope everyone is lucky to get a quick decision but getting impatient is pointless since you can NOT compare your individual case to anyone else’s circumstance.

The standard processing time for majority visa categories is 6 months and the 2/3 weeks decision turnaround after biometrics (some reported) may not apply in ALL cases.
Thanks, Cullinan. I totally agree with your sentiment and you're 100% right. Its the same message we'd get from the Home Office. However, two points to note.

From an applicant's perspective, this is an exceedingly stressful time. The combination of (i) Covid, (ii) the current economic climate (especially for those of us applying off the back of a Tier 2) (iii) inability to travel for those who haven't been able to see family and (iv) general uncertainty in the world makes it very difficult to avoid impatience.

The second point to note is that, while I agree every case is different, judging by the timeline thread and this thread it seems at least 80% of cases have 'quick decisions' (7 days or less). We've all forked out the same £2.4k application fee plus whatever other appointment fees UKVI has milked from us. So there should be some level of fairness in decision times. I think this is magnified by the IDV app fiasco where UKCVAS expressly said "if you urgently need a decision about your application, (for example because you need to travel outside of the UK), the option to book an appointment is still available." The clear implication here is that opting out would result in a quicker decision (as has been discussed ad nauseum). Now of course this was by no means a guarantee, but the fact this hasn't been honoured is very disheartening.

I hope you don't mind some of us voicing our frustrations amongst each other. I do appreciate your moderation style of keeping things very matter of fact and reminding us of the bigger picture.

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Re: **** COVID19 and UKVCAS Biometrics Appointments **** (ONLY discuss here)

Post by CULLINAN » Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:12 pm

@daenyt
Well turns out I have to submit every page of my passport and not just the bio pages. Who knew? I never ever saw this on anything anywhere until last week.
This is going OFF topic but just to answer. How are you supposed to prove your continuous residency without the visa stamps otherwise??
IDV verification ONLY requires your bio page BUT you are responsible to submit ALL documents required as per the guidance.
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Post by working925 » Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:20 pm

Hi

I'm applying for my ILR- just asking with regards to the earlier post- do I need to upload a document with all pages of my passport loaded on? Or just the pages with my photo/bio?

TIA

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Re: **** COVID19 and UKVCAS Biometrics Appointments **** (ONLY discuss here)

Post by CULLINAN » Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:25 pm

@going_dicey

I appreciate your comments and sentiments.

But I would like to reiterate: pre covid - normal processing time took up to 6 months.

Given the covid climate, processing is still done within 6 months even if biometrics are delayed (or even faster).

I appreciate you could not go for super-priority option but then there is a whole new argument why Tier 2 applicants (or similar visa categories) previously were given the choice of super-priority option but Tier 1 Ent (or similar visa categories) were left out?
If you talk about fairness, how is that fair?

In conclusion, even pre-covid one had to wait up to 6 months, and post covid, majority cases are finalised even before 6 months from application date. So no difference.

I would like this discussion to end here before this goes OFF topic again.
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Re: **** COVID19 and UKVCAS Biometrics Appointments **** (ONLY discuss here)

Post by CULLINAN » Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:28 pm

working925 wrote:
Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:20 pm
Hi

I'm applying for my ILR- just asking with regards to the earlier post- do I need to upload a document with all pages of my passport loaded on? Or just the pages with my photo/bio?

TIA
For IDV- bio page
For documents - full passport
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Post by working925 » Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:41 pm

CULLINAN wrote:
Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:28 pm
working925 wrote:
Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:20 pm
Hi

I'm applying for my ILR- just asking with regards to the earlier post- do I need to upload a document with all pages of my passport loaded on? Or just the pages with my photo/bio?

TIA
For IDV- bio page
For documents - full passport
Thanks!

Just checking- 'Documents' as in the ones we upload when I submit my online SET O application? Do I scan all the pages into a single word document or can i upload multiple pages?

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Post by CULLINAN » Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:42 pm

@working925
Please ask the above question in your own thread as its not related to biometrics.

https://www.immigrationboards.com/indef ... l#p1933527
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Post by vineetmishra33 » Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:06 pm

Hi all, i have received the decision letter on uk visa extension today 8th sep. but due to am emergency situation travelling to home country before collecting brp. What can I do in this situation. Anya way to collect the brp as i will not be allowed to enter uk once out of uk.

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Post by CULLINAN » Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:07 pm

vineetmishra33 wrote:
Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:06 pm
Hi all, i have received the decision letter on uk visa extension today 8th sep. but due to am emergency situation travelling to home country before collecting brp. What can I do in this situation. Anya way to collect the brp as i will not be allowed to enter uk once out of uk.
Please create your own topic in the correct sub forum and ask this question there. This is not related to this topic.
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Re: **** COVID19 and UKVCAS Biometrics Appointments **** (ONLY discuss here)

Post by ANS1 » Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:59 pm

CULLINAN wrote:
Mon Sep 07, 2020 6:07 pm
ANS1 wrote:
Mon Sep 07, 2020 6:06 pm
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@ANS1

Did you email also?
Not yet, that is next on the list.
Probably that is the ONLY way to resolve it.
Finally got the idv app invite a couple of hours ago. Although relieved (didn't think I would see the day!), I am annoyed that they didn't meet the deadline that they kept quoting and kept us hanging on. We are now essentially at the back of the queue (behind many Aug and early Sep applicants), but will forgive them for all the toturous days spent trying to access the app if only they process the decision in time.

I emailed the UKVACS team at last night but doubt they would have had a chance to read it yet. However, the ukvcas twitter team did get back to us today saying that the invite should go out today. So twitter seems to be a good contact point should anyone need to get in touch.

Just wanted to thank everyone on here and the mods esp Cullinan for your amazing selfless work and dedication- the solid advice and positivity really helps to keep people going through gloomy times. Now the real waiting begins...

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Post by CULLINAN » Tue Sep 08, 2020 11:28 pm

@ANS1
Thank you for your kind words.
I was thinking about your case. Glad to hear finally you got an invite. Good luck for a speedy decision.
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Post by ANS1 » Tue Sep 08, 2020 11:41 pm

CULLINAN wrote:
Tue Sep 08, 2020 11:28 pm
@ANS1
Thank you for your kind words.
I was thinking about your case. Glad to hear finally you got an invite. Good luck for a speedy decision.
Thank you, I really appreciate it. I feel like I've just graduated and moving on :lol:

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Post by krishnakumarg » Tue Sep 08, 2020 11:47 pm

CULLINAN wrote:
Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:12 pm
@daenyt
Well turns out I have to submit every page of my passport and not just the bio pages. Who knew? I never ever saw this on anything anywhere until last week.
This is going OFF topic but just to answer. How are you supposed to prove your continuous residency without the visa stamps otherwise??
IDV verification ONLY requires your bio page BUT you are responsible to submit ALL documents required as per the guidance.
Home office already has access to your entire travel history.

Heck, why the home office, even applicants, and indeed everyone in the UK can get access to their entry/exit records free of charge!!

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... mmigration

If an applicant leaves the UK while a decision is pending, this border database is the source of their refusal citing voluntarily withdrawal by the applicant.

Lol, even the "basic" request provides a lot of details:
Basic

You can request a copy of:
  • an electronic summary of your immigration history
  • landing cards we hold electronically
  • visa applications you submitted from outside of the UK (as part of entry clearance)
  • Workers Registration Scheme (WRS) information if you are a national of Czechia, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia and Slovenia
  • Entry and exit into and out of the UK.
  • Your travel history can be provided for the past 5 years if a passport or travel document is submitted for this period
You can request even more specialised/minute details pertaining to your travel history.

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Post by daenyt » Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:13 am

krishnakumarg wrote:
Tue Sep 08, 2020 11:47 pm
CULLINAN wrote:
Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:12 pm
@daenyt
Well turns out I have to submit every page of my passport and not just the bio pages. Who knew? I never ever saw this on anything anywhere until last week.
This is going OFF topic but just to answer. How are you supposed to prove your continuous residency without the visa stamps otherwise??
IDV verification ONLY requires your bio page BUT you are responsible to submit ALL documents required as per the guidance.
Home office already has access to your entire travel history.

Heck, why the home office, even applicants, and indeed everyone in the UK can get access to their entry/exit records free of charge!!

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... mmigration

If an applicant leaves the UK while a decision is pending, this border database is the source of their refusal citing voluntarily withdrawal by the applicant.

Lol, even the "basic" request provides a lot of details:
Basic

You can request a copy of:
  • an electronic summary of your immigration history
  • landing cards we hold electronically
  • visa applications you submitted from outside of the UK (as part of entry clearance)
  • Workers Registration Scheme (WRS) information if you are a national of Czechia, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia and Slovenia
  • Entry and exit into and out of the UK.
  • Your travel history can be provided for the past 5 years if a passport or travel document is submitted for this period
You can request even more specialised/minute details pertaining to your travel history.
This is what I thought. Besides less and less countries use physical stamps on passports these days anyway. I think this full passport scan thing is just another bureaucratic step thrown into the process which contributes to a hostile immigration environment.

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Post by krishnakumarg » Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:23 am

daenyt wrote:
Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:13 am

This is what I thought. Besides less and less countries use physical stamps on passports these days anyway. I think this full passport scan thing is just another bureaucratic step thrown into the process which contributes to a hostile immigration environment.
Yup. Many Indian airports have started trialling e-gates since 2019.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cit ... 563578.cms
https://www.sakaltimes.com/pune/pune-ai ... gers-31644
https://www.internationalairportreview. ... igi-yatra/

Certain airports in New Zealand, Australia, Scandinavia and Canada have been already using e-gates for last 6 years or so. I am not counting UK airports only because other passport holders can't use them.

Looking for a physical stamp on passport is a bit ridiculous. BTW, does it actually say in the ILR guidance that all passport pages need to scanned & submitted?

I just got the global talent visa yesterday, and had only done the bio pages (self upload as well as physical appointment).

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Re: **** COVID19 and UKVCAS Biometrics Appointments **** (ONLY discuss here)

Post by daenyt » Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:29 am

krishnakumarg wrote:
Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:23 am
daenyt wrote:
Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:13 am

This is what I thought. Besides less and less countries use physical stamps on passports these days anyway. I think this full passport scan thing is just another bureaucratic step thrown into the process which contributes to a hostile immigration environment.
Yup. Many Indian airports have started trialling e-gates since 2019.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cit ... 563578.cms
https://www.sakaltimes.com/pune/pune-ai ... gers-31644
https://www.internationalairportreview. ... igi-yatra/

Certain airports in New Zealand, Australia, Scandinavia and Canada have been already using e-gates for last 6 years or so. I am not counting UK airports only because other passport holders can't use them.

Looking for a physical stamp on passport is a bit ridiculous. BTW, does it actually say in the ILR guidance that all passport pages need to scanned & submitted?

I just got the global talent visa yesterday, and had only done the bio pages (self upload as well as physical appointment).
I think when you went to the appointment the UKVCAS staff must have scanned pages from your passport with stamps and bio page. Did you see them do this or did they only just check your passport to prove your identity?

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Post by krishnakumarg » Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:47 am

They just scanned the bio page I think. I mean, it was quite fast and I didn't pay attention.

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Post by switie18 » Wed Sep 09, 2020 5:28 am

I have submiited my ILR application (SET O) for myself and 1 dependent last 31/07/2020 and biometrics was submitted on 28/08/2020.

I received an email yesterday from UKVI that my application will take more than 6 months.

"Thank you for your application for permission to stay in the UK.

We apologise for the inconvenience, however, due to the worldwide response to COVID-19, UKVI services are currently limited and we are not able to meet our usual service standards.

Although we would normally decide your application within six months from the date it was submitted, unfortunately this is may not be possible in your case. "

Did any of you received an email too from
the home office and still waiting for a decision? Anyone who already received a decision that received this email but the decision did not take more than 6 months?

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Post by Sez30 » Wed Sep 09, 2020 6:13 am

I know majority of people here are ILR, but isn’t FLR(M) supposed to get a decision within 8 weeks, I keep seeing 6 months quoted I’m assuming this is ILR.

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Post by CR001 » Wed Sep 09, 2020 6:33 am

Sez30 wrote:
Wed Sep 09, 2020 6:13 am
I know majority of people here are ILR, but isn’t FLR(M) supposed to get a decision within 8 weeks, I keep seeing 6 months quoted I’m assuming this is ILR.
Any application made using standard service could take up to 6 months. This was the case even before COVID.
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Post by GTBS8 » Wed Sep 09, 2020 7:37 am

Can you submit documents in person after having submitted them via the app? or has your application moved to another stage by then?

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Post by daenyt » Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:11 am

GTBS8 wrote:
Wed Sep 09, 2020 7:37 am
Can you submit documents in person after having submitted them via the app? or has your application moved to another stage by then?
Yes. Members on here have done dual submission And a have gotten decisions extremely quickly.

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Post by jameswilliamson6544 » Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:05 am

switie18 wrote:
Wed Sep 09, 2020 5:28 am
I have submiited my ILR application (SET O) for myself and 1 dependent last 31/07/2020 and biometrics was submitted on 28/08/2020.

I received an email yesterday from UKVI that my application will take more than 6 months.

"Thank you for your application for permission to stay in the UK.

We apologise for the inconvenience, however, due to the worldwide response to COVID-19, UKVI services are currently limited and we are not able to meet our usual service standards.

Although we would normally decide your application within six months from the date it was submitted, unfortunately this is may not be possible in your case. "

Did any of you received an email too from
the home office and still waiting for a decision? Anyone who already received a decision that received this email but the decision did not take more than 6 months?
See the following links from this thread, a very small number of applicants on this forum have reported this email. It is unknown what is the criteria based on which these emails are being sent and it is unknown if it actually leads to a delay in getting decision.

https://www.immigrationboards.com/indef ... l#p1933198

https://www.immigrationboards.com/indef ... ?#p1933466

https://www.immigrationboards.com/indef ... ?#p1928026

https://www.immigrationboards.com/indef ... ?#p1925389

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Post by Sez30 » Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:34 am

Visa decision emailed today! Approved! Thank you to everyone here, just having people to talk this through with every day has made it so much easier!

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Post by applicant1234 » Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:39 am

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Visa decision emailed today! Approved! Thank you to everyone here, just having people to talk this through with every day has made it so much easier!
Congrats. Did you use the app or go for an appointment?

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