Bringing 2nd wife from Pakistan

[Sweet4u2012]

We went Pakistan in 2016 and got the courts to make the talaak official in their papers. we was then told by the court that he can create the decree absolute for us and that it can be used in Uk and so we dont need to pay in uk and start a divorce petition. when we came to uk I was told by solicitor a abroad Decree Absolute will not be accepted here in uk and that a divorce petition had to be started here in uk and so i did.

Sorry for the confusion

[Sweet4u2012]

Update

I have now got my Divorce certificate? I would like to know am I still able to apply to bring 2nd wife over to Uk or do I need to resolve the finances with ex wife first? I dont think the finances have anything to do with it but im still asking to be sure?

Now what is the fastest way to bring 2nd wife over to Uk? I know someone mentioned apply for spouse visa that would take considerably longer time compared to bringing wife over as fiancee Right?

Even though we Are married in Nikah in pakistan in 2016. I am now in process of looking for a good reliable solicitor firm local to me.

Has anyone herd of Fastracking their application get a response in 6 weeks and even 10 days?

all replies would be appreciated

[Sweet4u2012]

Hi I when wife comes to Uk on Fiancee visa after we get register our marriage in UK. If we dont want to do like a wedding ceremony Party due to keeping it in our tradition how can we prove to the home office that the marriage is legit? As one of the requirements is to show venue booked and reciept of brides dress etc etc .

Also could someone tell me what is the maximum time it takes for a Finacee visa to come back with a verdict from home office. Also Is it true you cant fastrack Fiancee visa application from Uk? What are the chances of success with a Fiancee visa?

I read online that you must also include chat logs from wats app for how long you have been communicating etc etc.

thank you

[Jhelumi]

We went Pakistan in 2016 and got the courts to make the talaak official in their papers. we was then told by the court that he can create the decree absolute for us and that it can be used in Uk and so we dont need to pay in uk and start a divorce petition. when we came to uk I was told by solicitor a abroad Decree Absolute will not be accepted here in uk and that a divorce petition had to be started here in uk and so i did.

Sorry for the confusion

Hello,

A court registered divorce in Pakistan is recognised in the UK same as a registered marriage is recognised in the UK.

I dont know why your solicitor told you it's not.

Someone correct me if this is incorrect.

[seagul]

A court registered divorce in Pakistan is recognised in the UK same as a registered marriage is recognised in the UK.

Yeah

[seagul]

Hi I when wife comes to Uk on Fiancee visa after we get register our marriage in UK. If we dont want to do like a wedding ceremony Party due to keeping it in our tradition how can we prove to the home office that the marriage is legit? As one of the requirements is to show venue booked and reciept of wedding dress etc etc .

You can also simply marry with 2 witnesses in registry office and arrange & celebrate party privately according to your own tradition & culture which isn't an issue. For spouse visa from fiancee visa won't require the proofs of venue booking, dried dress receipts etc.

[Sweet4u2012]

A court registered divorce in Pakistan is recognised in the UK same as a registered marriage is recognised in the UK.

Yeah

OH MY GOD.

Iv made a big mess of this then. I have wasted further money and time. I was given wrong information that a divorce in the courts in Pakistan will not be registered as divorce in uk unless it done here and a decree absolute is obtained.

So I have the Pakistani divorce document I got from the courts and also I have the decree absolute so im so confused now. what do i do which one do i use. I would like to bring wife over as spouse rather then fiancee and save further money if this way is possible. as my wife already has her passport made in 2016 and it clearly states im her husband so this marriage was registered in Pakistan on the basis that the first wife was divorced in Pakistani courts. But the problem Im seeing now is as the decree absolute was registered on the 12 april 2019 and on that basis we got married in Pakistan in 2016 because we had obtained a court divorce which you say is accepted here in uk.

So now how do i bring wife over as the on the decree absolute I have it was not legal for me to get married in 2016 when the Pakistani court divorce document allowed me but that document is not registered here in home office.

Please can someone give me best advise..

[seagul]

But the problem Im seeing now is as the decree absolute was registered on the 12 april 2019 and on that basis we got married in Pakistan in 2016 because we had obtained a court divorce which you say is accepted here in uk.

yes here is the main problem. In your case although the Pakistani divorce will be accepted in uK too but your marriage with 2nd wife wont be valid because you weren't free to marry in 2016 regardless of whether it is treated valid in Pakistan but HO wont accept it.

[Sweet4u2012]

I don't understand. So you are saying even though i have that Pakistani court divorce cert and if I attach it with my spouse visa application they still wound accept the marriage. Why is that. I thought you mentioned above the Uk accepts the court divorce in Pakistan.

Also ex wife is residing here in .uk with 4 children and has indefinate leave to remain.

So I still only have the fiancee option?

Ok explain this if i had registered the Pakistani court divorce in .uk back in 2016. Would the uk court have accepted my 2nd wife as marriage?


Regards

[Sweet4u2012]

Anyone

[Jhelumi]

Hello,

Sweet4u2012, you are really confusing yourself and complicating the situaion for no reason.

Here's what you need to do:

1. You need your Pakistani Decree of Absolute Certificate (official talaaknaama)
2. You need to have your Pakistani Decree of Absolute Certificate (official talaaknaama) translated into english.

3. You must have your Pakistani Urdu Nikahnaama.
4. You need to have your Pakistani Urdu Nikahnaama translated into English.
5. Take your Pakistani Urdu Nikahnaama to the local Union Council in Pakistan and have it registered. They will provide you with Marriage Registration Certificate (Urdu on one side and English on the other).
6. You need to have your Urdu/English Marriage Registration Certificate translated into English.

7. Ensure you wife's NADRA ID Card is showing your name.
8. Ensure you update your NADRA ID Card with your new wife's name. It won't display on the card but have it registered anyway so your card is up-to-date.

Now, you may have already acquired some of the above documentation already, rest that you haven't, have it done so you can get some peace of mind. It will show all your records in correct order and up-to-date.


Apply for a Spouse Visa in the UK and send the Pakistani original and translated divorce papers, along with Pakistani original and translated marriage certificates. (If you have your marriage certificate from the first marriage (and it's translatio),send that too but it's not important.)

At this point, do not send your UK Divorce certificate unless they ask for it. If they do ask for it, it's not a problem to send it after.
Your second marriage is valid in the UK from 2016 despite you acquired your UK Divorce certificate years later. You did not need to acquire the UK Divorce certificate but no harm done that you acquired it years after your second marriage.

I hope this helps.

[CR001]

I don't understand. So you are saying even though i have that Pakistani court divorce cert and if I attach it with my spouse visa application they still wound accept the marriage. Why is that. I thought you mentioned above the Uk accepts the court divorce in Pakistan.

Also ex wife is residing here in .uk with 4 children and has indefinate leave to remain.

So I still only have the fiancee option?

Ok explain this if i had registered the Pakistani court divorce in .uk back in 2016. Would the uk court have accepted my 2nd wife as marriage?


Regards

When did your ex spouse get ILR?? Did you sponsor her for a spouse visa and ILR as a ILR holder or British spouse etc at any point??

[seagul]

Your second marriage is valid in the UK from 2016 despite you acquired your UK Divorce certificate years later.

You saying incorrect because its totally opposite. Second marriage will only be valid if OP got his divorce certificate (wherever Pakistan/UK/rest world) for his 1st marriage before marrying again which was in 2016. Therefore, either he need to re-marry (if possible) or apply for fiancee visa for his 2nd wife.

[Frontier Mole]

I think what is being pointed at is the fact that his ex got ILR in a period where he was married to his second wife. That creates the possibility of deception / non disclosure of material facts and therefore would impact on his ex and the OP..

If the Home Office thought process is that there has been deception then there is every possibility ILR could be curtailed for his ex and he himself would be noted as employing deception. That in turn will impact on any attempts to bring in his second wife.

The whole circumstances are a mess and beyond suspect. By not disclosing the second marriage and when it took place that in itself is deception.

[Jhelumi]

Your second marriage is valid in the UK from 2016 despite you acquired your UK Divorce certificate years later.

You saying incorrect because its totally opposite. Second marriage will only be valid if OP got his divorce certificate (wherever Pakistan/UK/rest world) for his 1st marriage before marrying again which was in 2016. Therefore, either he need to re-marry (if possible) or apply for fiancee visa for his 2nd wife.

Hello,

That's what the original poster says, he went to Pakistan in 2016, got divorced over there and then re-married to his second wife over there in 2016.

[Sweet4u2012]

I got my ex her indefinite leave to remain in uk around 2010 so not sure how this would mean deception to the home office.

I will get back to you guys here just at work..

Thanks for all replies

[Frontier Mole]

I beg to differ - if he was divorced from his first wife in 2016 then why would he be asking these questions. If he was in fact divorced in Pakistan was that divorce recognised in the UK? If not for the purposes of UK law he was not legally divorced. So the concept of the Pakistan divorce is a nonsense.

It is very unclear what the timeframes are for this case. I fully believe he was married to two wives simultaneously and that the UK resident wife gained ILR during that period of being married twice.

If the divorce in 2016 was legal then the next question is - when did his first wife gain ILR? After the divorce in 2016 or before it.

[Jhelumi]

... If the divorce in 2016 was legal then the next question is - when did his first wife gain ILR? After the divorce in 2016 or before it.

... My immigration status is I'm a born British Pakistani. Born in the UK. My ex wife is Pakistani nationality she came from Pakistan. I doubt if she has achieved a British nationality.

Hello,

When you went to Pakistan to get divorced, did you inform the Home Office.

[Sweet4u2012]

I beg to differ - if he was divorced from his first wife in 2016 then why would he be asking these questions. If he was in fact divorced in Pakistan was that divorce recognised in the UK? If not for the purposes of UK law he was not legally divorced. So the concept of the Pakistan divorce is a nonsense.

It is very unclear what the timeframes are for this case. I fully believe he was married to two wives simultaneously and that the UK resident wife gained ILR during that period of being married twice.

If the divorce in 2016 was legal then the next question is - when did his first wife gain ILR? After the divorce in 2016 or before it.

Hi I already answered this above. I got my first wife indefinate leave to remain in 2010.

[Sweet4u2012]

... If the divorce in 2016 was legal then the next question is - when did his first wife gain ILR? After the divorce in 2016 or before it.

... My immigration status is I'm a born British Pakistani. Born in the UK. My ex wife is Pakistani nationality she came from Pakistan. I doubt if she has achieved a British nationality.

Hello,

When you went to Pakistan to get divorced, did you inform the Home Office.

Hi no I did not inform the home office.

When I came back to UK I was advised that the Pakistani court divorce would not be accepted here in .uk. So I went through a Uk dovorce.

I think I will keep this simple and just go through the fiancee option yo bring new wife over.

[Frontier Mole]

Thanks for the clarification.
Based on my understanding I think you have a clear path to bring your second wife to the UK under a Spouse visa. The safe route is under fiancé visa but let others pass their opinion.

[Sweet4u2012]

Thanks for the clarification.
Based on my understanding I think you have a clear path to bring your second wife to the UK under a Spouse visa. The safe route is under fiancé visa but let others pass their opinion.

This is a big confusion as im contacting solicitors from the information im getting here about bringing wife over as spouse but then im confused myself. There is also a confusion here as many have said the spouse option would work and many have said it wont and that i should use the fiancee. I have one chance and i cant afford to mess it up with the home office. It is expensive but most have said the Fiancee option would be the safer option.

[Jhelumi]

Thanks for the clarification.
Based on my understanding I think you have a clear path to bring your second wife to the UK under a Spouse visa. The safe route is under fiancé visa but let others pass their opinion.

This is a big confusion as im contacting solicitors from the information im getting here about bringing wife over as spouse but then im confused myself. There is also a confusion here as many have said the spouse option would work and many have said it wont and that i should use the fiancee. I have one chance and i cant afford to mess it up with the home office. It is expensive but most have said the Fiancee option would be the safer option.

Hello,

One thing you could try is make a list of all the dates from the earliest to the latest.

This would include the dates for:
First Wife Nikkah
First Wife Spouse Visa Application
First Wife Spouse Visa Granted

First Wife FLR Application
First Wife FLR Granted

First Wife ILR Application
First Wife ILR Granted

First Wife Official Divorce Granted in Pakistan
First Wife Official Divorce Granted in UK

Second Wife Nikkah

Make a date list of the above and put them in date order. You'll know better where you stand.
Show these dates to your solicitor and then take it from there.

Wouldn't mind if you could share those dates here as well.

[Sweet4u2012]

Thanks for the clarification.
Based on my understanding I think you have a clear path to bring your second wife to the UK under a Spouse visa. The safe route is under fiancé visa but let others pass their opinion.

This is a big confusion as im contacting solicitors from the information im getting here about bringing wife over as spouse but then im confused myself. There is also a confusion here as many have said the spouse option would work and many have said it wont and that i should use the fiancee. I have one chance and i cant afford to mess it up with the home office. It is expensive but most have said the Fiancee option would be the safer option.

Hello,

One thing you could try is make a list of all the dates from the earliest to the latest.

This would include the dates for:
First Wife Nikkah
First Wife Spouse Visa Application
First Wife Spouse Visa Granted

First Wife FLR Application
First Wife FLR Granted

First Wife ILR Application
First Wife ILR Granted

First Wife Official Divorce Granted in Pakistan
First Wife Official Divorce Granted in UK

Second Wife Nikkah

Make a date list of the above and put them in date order. You'll know better where you stand.
Show these dates to your solicitor and then take it from there.

Wouldn't mind if you could share those dates here as well.

Hi

what difference would it make if i posted the dates. I think I will have to speak to a solicitor and hope he knows what his doing.

[Sweet4u2012]

I think what is being pointed at is the fact that his ex got ILR in a period where he was married to his second wife. That creates the possibility of deception / non disclosure of material facts and therefore would impact on his ex and the OP..

If the Home Office thought process is that there has been deception then there is every possibility ILR could be curtailed for his ex and he himself would be noted as employing deception. That in turn will impact on any attempts to bring in his second wife.

The whole circumstances are a mess and beyond suspect. By not disclosing the second marriage and when it took place that in itself is deception.

Hi I think you have read wrong. I did not get my ex ILR in a period i was married to 2nd wife. I got ex ILR in 2010 we split in 2015. I went Pakistan 2016 where I first got court divorced then came back to Uk then went back after 3 months to Pakistan to get Married to 2nd wife. I got my decree absolute in Uk 2019.