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Entry/Exit records going back further than 5 years...

Post by ILR1232020 » Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:03 am

Hi all

I will be due to apply for ILR on the 10-year route in 2020.

As I'm sure you are aware, an applicant can have no more than 540 days out of the UK over the past 10 years leading up to the application. I recently submitted a Subject Access Request to UKVI, asking for my entry and exit dates from the UK for the past 10 years. I was told that they can only provide the past 5 years's data, as the Home Office border systems only retain data for the past 5 years due to Data Protection Act requirements.

Accordingly, I'm just wondering how I go about piecing together my travel history going further back than 5 years. I no longer have the passport from that time, so I can't just count the stamps. I have a rough idea of dates and when I was away, but I can't be certain.

Any advice on this would be much appreciated!

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Visa application history for 10-year ILR

Post by ILR1232020 » Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:19 am

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I have a general question on lawful residence/visa process. I can't seem to find the answer in the guidance and apologies if this is a bit of a stupid question.

I'm due to be eligible (I think) for a 10-year ILR application in September 2020 and I have a question on a visa application I made in 2013.

I was on a Tier 4 student visa from September 2010 until 1 November 2013 (its date of expiry).

In late October 2013, I applied online for another Tier 4 student visa, for a course that was due to start in January 2014. I left the UK on 1 November 2013 to return to the United States (I believe it was required that I return to the United States to complete my application). After recently making a Subject Access Request, I have received my visa application history from UKVI and it has my date of application down in a couple of places, one in late October (the date of my online application) and one as 6 November (I believe that was the date my paper application documentation would have been received in New York). Anyway, my visa was granted and I returned to the UK on 13 December 2013 (the date my visa began).

Does the fact that my application date could be interpreted to be 6 November (so, after my visa ended) rather than late October matter? I've never been clear on whether I would have needed to be granted a new visa before my old one expired, or if it didn't matter as long as I re-entered the UK on a new visa within 6 months?

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Re: Visa application history for 10-year ILR

Post by ILR1232020 » Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:42 am

not sure what happened here. first post supposed to be a different topic. Anyway, grateful for any info you can provide on the visa application question!

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not sure what happened here. first post supposed to be a different topic. Anyway, grateful for any info you can provide on the visa application question!
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Re: Visa application history for 10-year ILR

Post by ILR1232020 » Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:02 am

Understood! Well, if anyone has advice on either of these, that would be great!

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Re: Visa application history for 10-year ILR

Post by CR001 » Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:16 am

ILR1232020 wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:19 am
All

I have a general question on lawful residence/visa process. I can't seem to find the answer in the guidance and apologies if this is a bit of a stupid question.

I'm due to be eligible (I think) for a 10-year ILR application in September 2020 and I have a question on a visa application I made in 2013.

I was on a Tier 4 student visa from September 2010 until 1 November 2013 (its date of expiry).

In late October 2013, I applied online for another Tier 4 student visa, for a course that was due to start in January 2014. I left the UK on 1 November 2013 to return to the United States (I believe it was required that I return to the United States to complete my application). After recently making a Subject Access Request, I have received my visa application history from UKVI and it has my date of application down in a couple of places, one in late October (the date of my online application) and one as 6 November (I believe that was the date my paper application documentation would have been received in New York). Anyway, my visa was granted and I returned to the UK on 13 December 2013 (the date my visa began).

Does the fact that my application date could be interpreted to be 6 November (so, after my visa ended) rather than late October matter? I've never been clear on whether I would have needed to be granted a new visa before my old one expired, or if it didn't matter as long as I re-entered the UK on a new visa within 6 months?

Thanks.
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Home Office Entry/Exit Records - 10 yr route

Post by ILR1232020 » Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:57 pm

Hi all

I will be due to apply for ILR on the 10-year route in 2020.

As I'm sure you are aware, an applicant can have no more than 540 days out of the UK over the past 10 years leading up to the application. I recently submitted a Subject Access Request to UKVI, asking for my entry and exit dates from the UK for the past 10 years. I was told that they can only provide the past 5 years's data, as the Home Office border systems only retain data for the past 5 years due to Data Protection Act requirements.

Accordingly, I'm just wondering how I go about piecing together my travel history going further back than 5 years. I no longer have the passport from that time, so I can't just count the stamps. I have a rough idea of dates and when I was away, but I can't be certain.

Any advice on this would be much appreciated!

Thanks.

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Re: Home Office Entry/Exit Records - 10 yr route

Post by zimba » Mon Dec 16, 2019 1:57 pm

You should provide roughly the dates. Try your best
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Re: Home Office Entry/Exit Records - 10 yr route

Post by sfljiaf » Sun Dec 22, 2019 10:33 am

I researched this a while ago, more in the context of naturalisation, but also with ILR in mind for a friend. From what I found online and talking to an immigration lawyer, it's more important to show that you were within the limit than the exact dates. As I understand it, the burden of proof for that is in principle on you, but it tends to be reasonable. Basically, if you don't have passport stamps, do your best to provide rough dates as Zimba says, and try to include a few alternative pieces of evidence that support your story (but it doesn't have to be 100% beyond-any-reasonable-doubt watertight if no evidence of that standard is available).

For instance, if you have been in continuous employment with the usual annual vacation days, then it would be implausible for you to have exceeded the 540 days. In such a case you could include a letter from your employer, perhaps together with some sort of record of your employment from HMRC. In other cases it might not be quite as straightforward, but you could still provide evidence that you were in the UK most of the time, or resident here at least. For instance a letter from your university confirming that you were a student and had to attend lectures and tutorials regularly. Yearly council tax bills could provide some (weaker) evidence, too.

A few different pieces of evidence from independent sources can help, especially if each is weaker; but don't include hundreds of pages of documents. You might want to include a brief note or cover letter explaining the situation, and listing the evidence you provide (with an explanation of its context where necessary).

In theory, bank records or mobile phone statements could also show that you were in the country, through usage of your debit card or calls you placed. But I suspect that those would be too much volume to include, if you've even kept them for that far back. Maybe someone else has thoughts on this though?

Certainly also include a copy of the SAR response with the application even though Home Office have that data anyway, as it's your responsibility to provide evidence. Plus it shows that you have taken every reasonable step to ensure that the data you provide is accurate.

Hope this all helps. Do let us know how it goes, please. My friend has yet to do his ILR, so he would be very grateful to hear about your experience. And good luck!

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Re: Home Office Entry/Exit Records - 10 yr route

Post by ILR1232020 » Mon Dec 23, 2019 5:03 pm

Thanks, both! That's very helpful. I will let you know how it goes!

Another quick question - sometimes, when exiting and re-entering the country when I have been abroad for tourist purposes etc, the border patrol has stamped a tourist stamp into my passport. Perhaps I forgot to show them my residence card or mention that I was on a valid Tier 2, student or partner visa (which I would have been at the time). I presume this is fine and this must happen every so often?

I should note that upon on my first entry into the UK on a new visa, I would, of course, have made it known that I was entering for the purposes of that visa.

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Post by bizman » Mon Dec 23, 2019 5:23 pm

I don’t think you can be allowed into the country without showing the documents carrying your legal status? All the time I travelled, I was asked for my BRP which I always give. I have not seen a time the tourist stamp was used. I may be wrong but that’s m6 experience.
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Re: Home Office Entry/Exit Records - 10 yr route

Post by ILR1232020 » Mon Dec 23, 2019 9:21 pm

For instance, I think for one of the stamps, I was nearing the end of my time on a student visa (I had completed my studies), I went travelling overseas for a month and I returned to the UK to see some friends before leaving the UK for my home country at the expiry of my student visa a few days later. I very well may have said I'm just here as a tourist as I was leaving in a few days anyway. I figure this must happen all the time? As a student, I would not have been thinking about ILR. I would imagine as long as my student visa was valid and I didn't overstay, it shouldn't matter?

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Re: Home Office Entry/Exit Records - 10 yr route

Post by ILR1232020 » Tue Dec 24, 2019 11:19 pm

yeah i just went through my passport and there are 2 instances where i was stamped with "leave to enter for six months: employment and recourse to public funds prohibited", even though I was well into a student visa for one of those times and on a work visa for another. I've mentioned this to an acquaintance who is an immigration lawyer, and they didn't think it would be a huge issue, but I'm not sure they've dealt with this before.

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6 month absence?

Post by ILR1232020 » Sun Dec 29, 2019 10:33 pm

Hi

While on a Tier 2 visa, I was on a work secondment abroad to Paris for 6 months. I say 6 months, but the date from the beginning of the secondment until the end actually appears to run a few days over 6 months. Let's say from beginning to end it was 6.5 months for the sake of simplicity.

During the secondment abroad I returned to the UK at least once a month to see my partner. at the end of the secondment i returned to my work's UK office to continue working.

My question, for the purposes of 10 year ILR, does this fall foul of the rule where an applicant can't be absent from the UK for more than 6 months? I assume not, but I just want to make sure I'm reading that right.

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Re: Home Office Entry/Exit Records - 10 yr route

Post by zimba » Sun Dec 29, 2019 11:28 pm

Any continuous absence of more than 180 days breaks your continuous residence
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Re: Home Office Entry/Exit Records - 10 yr route

Post by ILR1232020 » Mon Dec 30, 2019 9:44 am

Thanks! So, it looks like I'd be fine then on this point?

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10 year ILR route - Entry Exit records going back further than 5 years

Post by ILR1232020 » Thu Jan 30, 2020 5:09 pm

Hi all

Does anyone know if any UK government department has these records? I know you can do a Subject Access Request to the Home Office for up to 5 years of entry / exit records, but I'm not sure of my travel history from between 5 and 10 years ago - I no longer have my passport from that time.

I know the visa application people are pretty strict about the 540 day rule so I just want to make sure I'm doing everything correctly.

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Re: Home Office Entry/Exit Records - 10 yr route

Post by zimba » Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:53 am

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You should provide roughly the dates. Try your best
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Post by ILR1232020 » Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:31 pm

thanks - and I suppose UKVI only have the 5 years worth of records?

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Post by CR001 » Fri Jan 31, 2020 3:10 pm

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thanks - and I suppose UKVI only have the 5 years worth of records?
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Re: 10 year ILR route - Entry Exit records going back further than 5 years

Post by ILR1232020 » Mon Feb 03, 2020 5:49 pm

definitely not trying to wing it. I just don't know if I can say with a 100% certainty my movements between 5 and 10 years ago. I would imagine a lot of people can't. I travel a lot for work, family and holiday. I aim to be as accurate as possible. I'm just wondering if they are comparing my declarations to specific records.

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