Naturalisation-Referee-Parents' Details

[Lenova]

Dear all

I would like to apologize in advance if I am repeating the question without knowing if in case it's already addressed on the forum but I couldn't find any clear and precise answer to this situation. I have read through several posts but could not find specific answer. Hence I would really appreciate if you can please shed some light into these matters :

1) I am in the process of applying for naturalisation . I have ILR since 12/2017 through the refugee settlement. In the online form it asked for the Valid Passport which I NEVER had one. I used to have a Travel Document earlier but it's expired on 2017. I was wondering if I can submit AN Online form without having any valid passport/Travel document ? I still hold Expired Travel Document which I can submit it its needed .So, would I be able to submit the application without these document ? Will you please assist me in this regard.
2) I have also tried to fill up the form with my Travel Document's details thinking if it works but since it has already expired the details were not accepted and marked with error without letting me move forward. I am stuck in the middle. Please Help.
Thanking you in advance.

[alterhase58]

1) Application can be made with expired passports or other travel documents - you need to submit your Travel Document as is.
2) Note we do not have sight of all available screens for the online form. I believe there may be an "Other" option where you can explain why you don't have a valid passport or travel document - but others with experience of this could perhaps comment.

[CULLINAN]

1) Refugees do not need a valid passport/valid travel document to apply for AN. Your ILR BRP is enough even if you have none but as alterhase58 said you will need to upload a copy of your expired travel document - if the checklist asks for it.

2) Answer the questions as the AN application form asks. You will be able to proceed. If your home country passport is with HO, mention that in the reason as the next question asks. Similarly for expired travel document. Form will ask if you have a valid travel document. Say NO. It will then ask about your expired travel documents details.

[Lenova]

Dear alterhase58 and CULLINAN ,
Thank you so very much for your suggestions. I really appreciate it.
Regarding the AN form I have now mentioned "NO" as an answer to " Do you have a valid passport/travel document ?" and also explained the reasons why I do not have one. Since the form does not allow me to fill up my expired travel document's details, I will upload it at the end once the form is submitted.
I have one more query regarding the scanning procedure of my expired travel document. I haven't travelled anywhere outside UK since 2017 but have travelled few countries before 2017. Do I have to scan only the pages where I have the travelled stamps and leave the rest or Do I need to scan the whole pages ?

Thanking in advance for your help.

[CULLINAN]

The form first asks about your valid passport.
Then expired passport.
Then asks about valid travel document.
Then asks about expired travel document.

Answer accordingly.

Scan full expired travel document.

[Lenova]

Thank you very much for your assistance.
Hopefully I will be able to fill up the form with confidence now

[CULLINAN]

Thank you very much for your assistance.
Hopefully I will be able to fill up the form with confidence now

My wife has got British Citizenship via the refugee route. I have personal experience. Happy to help you out with any more questions you have.

[Lenova]

Thank you very much for your assistance.
Hopefully I will be able to fill up the form with confidence now

My wife has got British Citizenship via the refugee route. I have personal experience. Happy to help you out with any more questions you have.

That is very kind of you. It is extremely relief to find a helping hand in the form of this forum/site when there are very limited if none sources/information regarding this situation. I am ecstatic that you are assisting people sharing knowledge through your experience and expertise. I am pretty sure that I might need further help in the future

[CULLINAN]

[Lenova]

Dear all ,

Will you please be able to provide some suggestions regarding these topics:

1) For the naturalisation process in regard to the referee , Will it be of any issues if one of my referee who is British Citizen and are not related are having the SAME SURNAME ?

2) And for the professional referee , Would it be fine if we are sharing/living in the SAME ADDRESS?

3) I do not have the correct/exact information regarding my Parents' Date of Birth , Will I be able to submit the form without their DOB details and just simply mention " NO" as an answer to that question?
Thanking you in advance for your help.

[CULLINAN]

Please keep ALL your questions in the same thread:

https://www.immigrationboards.com/briti ... l#p1934044

[CULLINAN]

1) For the naturalisation process in regard to the referee , Will it be of any issues if one of my referee who is British Citizen and are not related are having the SAME SURNAME ?

2) And for the professional referee , Would it be fine if we are sharing/living in the SAME ADDRESS?

3) I do not have the correct/exact information regarding my Parents' Date of Birth , Will I be able to submit the form without their DOB details and just simply mention " NO" as an answer to that question?
Thanking you in advance for your help.

1) No issue
2) No issue
3) Mention the estimate in the form and mention that you do not remember correctly in the additional info at the end of the form or cover letter.


Referee requirements can be seen as below:

https://visas-immigration.service.gov.u ... on_MN1.pdf

Referees must:
• not be a relative
• not be a solicitor or agent representing you on this application
• not be related to the other referee;;
• not be employed by the Home Office;;
• not have been convicted of an imprisonable offence during the last 10 years
(unless that conviction can be disregarded in line with the table shown in the
Guide);;
• have known the applicant personally;;
• be willing to give full details of their knowledge of the applicant;;
• advise the Home Office of any reason why the applicant should not be
registered.

[Lenova]

1) For the naturalisation process in regard to the referee , Will it be of any issues if one of my referee who is British Citizen and are not related are having the SAME SURNAME ?

2) And for the professional referee , Would it be fine if we are sharing/living in the SAME ADDRESS?

3) I do not have the correct/exact information regarding my Parents' Date of Birth , Will I be able to submit the form without their DOB details and just simply mention " NO" as an answer to that question?
Thanking you in advance for your help.

1) No issue
2) No issue
3) Mention the estimate in the form and mention that you do not remember correctly in the additional info at the end of the form or cover letter.


Referee requirements can be seen as below:

https://visas-immigration.service.gov.u ... on_MN1.pdf

Referees must:
• not be a relative
• not be a solicitor or agent representing you on this application
• not be related to the other referee;;
• not be employed by the Home Office;;
• not have been convicted of an imprisonable offence during the last 10 years
(unless that conviction can be disregarded in line with the table shown in the
Guide);;
• have known the applicant personally;;
• be willing to give full details of their knowledge of the applicant;;
• advise the Home Office of any reason why the applicant should not be
registered.

Thank you very much CULLINAN for your response. Apology regarding the new thread as I was unaware about the forum's procedures relating to posting new topic.

[CR001]

Thank you very much CULLINAN for your response. Apology regarding the new thread as I was unaware about the forum's procedures relating to posting new topic.

The forum rules in the links below, which all members signing up to the forum are required to read.

https://www.immigrationboards.com/annou ... 24804.html

https://www.immigrationboards.com/announcements/

[Lenova]

Dear all,
Here is another confusion regarding the question on MN form. Please Assist !
It asked for any previous application I have made and also asked for "the reference number" if known . I have a letter from HO which was issued while granting the visa. So the confusion is which is the Correct REFERENCE NUMBER ? Is that the one on the TOP RIGHT where it says " Our Ref " OR the LOWER LEFT , where it says "Case Reference Number " .
Thank you in advance.

[CULLINAN]

Dear all,
Here is another confusion regarding the question on MN form. Please Assist !
It asked for any previous application I have made and also asked for "the reference number" if known . I have a letter from HO which was issued while granting the visa. So the confusion is which is the Correct REFERENCE NUMBER ? Is that the one on the TOP RIGHT where it says " Our Ref " OR the LOWER LEFT , where it says "Case Reference Number " .
Thank you in advance.

Case reference Num.

Are you sure that you are filling the right application.

It should be AN not MN(MN1?). I am assuming it was a type error.

[Lenova]

Dear all,
Here is another confusion regarding the question on MN form. Please Assist !
It asked for any previous application I have made and also asked for "the reference number" if known . I have a letter from HO which was issued while granting the visa. So the confusion is which is the Correct REFERENCE NUMBER ? Is that the one on the TOP RIGHT where it says " Our Ref " OR the LOWER LEFT , where it says "Case Reference Number " .
Thank you in advance.

Case reference Num.

Are you sure that you are filling the right application.

It should be AN not MN(MN1?). I am assuming it was a type error.

That is supposed to be AN Form . That was my silly mistake . I greatly appreciate your help.

[Lenova]

Dear all,
Here is another confusion regarding the question on MN form. Please Assist !
It asked for any previous application I have made and also asked for "the reference number" if known . I have a letter from HO which was issued while granting the visa. So the confusion is which is the Correct REFERENCE NUMBER ? Is that the one on the TOP RIGHT where it says " Our Ref " OR the LOWER LEFT , where it says "Case Reference Number " .
Thank you in advance.

Case reference Num.

Are you sure that you are filling the right application.

It should be AN not MN(MN1?). I am assuming it was a type error.

That is supposed to be AN Form . That was my silly mistake . I greatly appreciate your help.

Hello again ,
Will you please guide me through the form filling in regard to the the Tax Reference Number asked in it? Is it the Employer PAYE Reference Number which seems like xxx/Axxxx ?
Thank you in advance

[CULLINAN]

Yes

[Lenova]

Yes

Thank you Cullinan for your response.
I have hereby submitting the document checklists will you please have a look and suggest me if in case
anything is missing as per my circumstances :

1) Proof of freedom :ILR BRP Card/Current Biometric Residence Permit
2)English Language Requirement : B1 CEFR
3) Proof of living in the UK for 5 years : Scanning all the pages of Expired Travel Document and the 5 Year HMRC Employment History
4) LIUK Test Certificate
5) Two referee declarations
Thanks in advance

[CULLINAN]

Looks good but I would like to give you a suggestion.

You should mention in the cover letter that your home country passport is with HO already (if it is) and you do not hold any other home country’s passport.

Also mention you are a refugee and have no means to travel outside UK without a valid HTD.

This will save you from gaps in evidence of residence since your HTD is expired.

You can mention this reference:

The following can be used as evidence of residence:
• passports or travel documents which have been stamped to show arrival in the UK and entry and departure from other countries:
o these should be checked against the list of absences provided on the
application form
• Home Office records

If there are gaps in a person’s evidence of residence and it is clear from the information available that they could not have travelled, you must accept this. Examples of this might include a refugee who has no means of travel or where immigration records confirm continuous residence

Page 15

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... n_v6.0.pdf


Its good you are providing HMRC proof of employment to prove residency (you can ignore this suggestion).

But if someone does not have employment proof can use the above reference.

[Lenova]

I really appreciate your suggestions CULLINAN !

Few more queries again :

1)Shall I attach a separate Cover Letter explaining all the details you have mentioned here , Or Should I just explained everything at the end of the Application Section , where it asks the following question :

* Do you have any other details that you would like to be considered regarding this applicant and their application to be registered as a British Citizen? (Required)
* Yes * No
In my case, YES , following with the details addressed above.

2)In the guidance it also refers that

• if the applicant does not have passports to cover the qualifying period, other evidence such as employers’ letters or tax and National Insurance letters
- In such cases you should assess whether there is sufficient evidence to show that that applicant has been resident in the UK during the qualifying period, giving them the benefit of any doubt where claimed absences are within the limits we would normally allow and there are no grounds to doubt the accuracy of the claim

This statement seems confusing , does that mean I need to submit those documents ( Employer's Letter, Tax and Insurance Letter ) as well or HMRC letter alone will be fine?

3) Please correct me If I am wrong, P60's , payslips, letter from employer confirming the employment are not needed to submit.
Thanks in advance

[CULLINAN]

You can use the above reference in the additional information space. No need for a separate cover letter.

Note, my wife is a housewife and she never had any employment ever. Many refugees I know were unemployed also.

My wife had 1.5 years gap between her expired and new HTD. She did NOT submit any extra documents for the missed period. We just mentioned the above reference in the cover letter and explained she does not hold any home country passport and had no means to travel outside UK without a valid HTD. Many I know never had a HTD in the first place and were successful similarly.

You do not need to submit anything. In case HO needs extra documents they will write to you.

One person I know (never has any HTD), did not use the above reference and HO wrote him to provide evidence for residency. He then had to provide them with employer letter and Child Benefit HMRC letters and his citizenship was approved after 2 weeks of submitting evidence.

Hope that helps.

If there are gaps in a person’s evidence of residence and it is clear from the information available that they could not have travelled, you must accept this. Examples of this might include a refugee who has no means of travel or where immigration records confirm continuous residence

HO should use Home Office records to check your residency without asking any extra evidence.

[Lenova]

Thank you ever so much CULLINAN for your prompt reply. Your suggestions are much appreciated.
Thank you once again

[CULLINAN]

Thank you ever so much CULLINAN for your prompt reply. Your suggestions are much appreciated.
Thank you once again

Good luck. Keep us updated;)