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Could you explain what you mean by the double descent rule?
And the form is correct. There is no discretion granted. That is true of all entitlements to be registered as a British citizen.Section 3 of the British Nationality Act 1981 wrote:(5) A person born outside the United Kingdom and the qualifying territories shall be entitled, on an application for his registration as a British citizen made while he is a minor, to be registered as such a citizen if the following requirements are satisfied, namely—
(a)that at the time of that person’s birth his father or mother was a British citizen by descent; and
(b)subject to subsection (6), that that person and his father and mother were in the United Kingdom or a qualifying territory at the beginning of the period of three years ending with the date of the application and that, in the case of each of them, the number of days on which the person in question was absent from the United Kingdom and the qualifying territories in that period does not exceed 270; and
(c)subject to subsection (6), that the consent of his father and mother to the registration has been signified in the prescribed manner.
Nope. The child will need a visa if she is not a British citizen. The entitlement to be registered is just that, an entitlement. it gives no privilege as to residence in the UK unless it is exercised and granted, and even then, only from the date of the grant, not from the date of application.contorted_svy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2025 12:59 pmit is possible that your daughter won't need a visa as she will have an entitlement to be registered.
Maybe I explained myself poorly. What I meant is that not renewing the visa for children in certain categories doesn't affect their entitlement to British citizenship (I could not find a reference to lawful residence in OP's case). So OP could avoid applying for child's visa and wait until they can apply for registration, if my understanding is correct about not needing lawful residence.secret.simon wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 1:20 amNope. The child will need a visa if she is not a British citizen. The entitlement to be registered is just that, an entitlement. it gives no privilege as to residence in the UK unless it is exercised and granted, and even then, only from the date of the grant, not from the date of application.
Let me put it this way.contorted_svy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 10:53 amMaybe I explained myself poorly. What I meant is that not renewing the visa for children in certain categories doesn't affect their entitlement to British citizenship (I could not find a reference to lawful residence in OP's case). So OP could avoid applying for child's visa and wait until they can apply for registration, if my understanding is correct about not needing lawful residence.
I think it does - thank you. What I believe OP could interested in is in knowing that if they wait until the trips abroad go down (and therefore do not need to ask for discretion for an application under 3(5)) they could then in principle not renew the child's visa, which expires in December 2025.secret.simon wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2025 4:38 pmLet me put it this way.contorted_svy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 10:53 amMaybe I explained myself poorly. What I meant is that not renewing the visa for children in certain categories doesn't affect their entitlement to British citizenship (I could not find a reference to lawful residence in OP's case). So OP could avoid applying for child's visa and wait until they can apply for registration, if my understanding is correct about not needing lawful residence.
The child's lack of legal residence (i.e. no valid visa) will not impact the entitlement the child has for an application under Section 3(5), provided all conditions of the entitlement are met.
The child's lack of legal residence (i.e. no valid visa) will impact any application made under Section 3(1), because it is an application at discretion and there is no entitlement.
For the child to retain its entitlement, the father needs to curtail his travels out of the UK.
If the application is at discretion, the child would likely need a continuous legal residence, or a compelling compassionate reason for not having such legal residence.
Does that answer your question, contorted_svy?
UKVI already considered Section 3(1) and did not exercise discretion, as the child doesn't meet all the requirements.cat360 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 14, 2025 1:50 pmThank you. Unfortunately we cannot apply for my daughters citizenship under Section 3(2) , because me as the BP holder ( mother) did not live in the UK 3 years prior to her birth. I am struggling to understand section 3(1). Is this a route that she can apply via?