ANCESTRAL VISA APPLICATION

[Etherneve]

Hello my partner would like to apply through ancestry route. We got married in 2017. Should we mention this on the application. Also I am a British citizen and will be his sponsor as he is not working at the moment. Will that be a problem? Will he have to have a job offer on the table here before he comes? Help !

[Casa]

Hello my partner would like to apply through ancestry route. We got married in 2017. Should we mention this on the application. Also I am a British citizen and will be his sponsor as he is not working at the moment. Will that be a problem? Will he have to have a job offer on the table here before he comes? Help !

Paragraph 186(iv) of the Immigration Rules says an applicant must be able to work
and intend to take or seek employment in the UK.
An applicant in the UK ancestry category must prove they can work and intend to
take or seek employment in the UK. For the applicant to meet this requirement, you
must be satisfied they either:
• have a job in the UK
• genuinely intend to look for a job (or become self-employed) and are
realistically able to do this. When you assess this it may be relevant to
consider the applicant’s:
- age
- health, for example, do they have any medical problems that may prevent
them from taking employment?
The applicant need only demonstrate they are able to work and genuinely intend to
seek employment. You must not refuse their application on the grounds of a
disability alone.
The applicant does not have to be working at the time they apply.


https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... ry-v16.pdf

[Etherneve]

Hello
Thank you for all you do to help. Am trying to ask my landlord for a supporting letter to go with my lease agreement for an ancestry visa application but he doesn’t know what he needs to state in the letter. Any ideas or advice please? Thank you in advance

[Etherneve]

Thank you

[Etherneve]

Hello

Please help. I have British citizenship. My husband (Zimbabwean) is applying to join me here via ancestral visa. His grandfather was British and born in the UK. We got married in 2017 and now would like to be together here in the UK. We have a few issues needing clarification please if anybody can help.

1. We were able to locate my husbands grandthers birth ceretificate. We have however been unable to locate his fathers birth certificate because in Zimbabwe once a person dies, you have to hand in all identification documents in order to obtain the death certificate. We therefore have a death certificate for his father which also has the grandfathers name on. Do we just submit his grandfathers birth certificate and his fathers death certificate and then explain in additional information?

2. Can I also add the fact that we are married and hand in our marriage certificate as supporting evidence and will that not then affect the ancestry route? One of the questions on online application is asking why Iam sponsoring him, hence that question

3. I am his main sponsor because with the situation in Zimbabwe he is not able to get a job and regular in come or even maintain a bank account. I also send him money from time to time to help out. Do I submit evidence of these transactions too? I am also going to sponsor this visa and trip. Would that be a problem? Do I need to provide special documentation as a sponsor?

4. What information can I add to support this information in the Additional Comments section when applying online.

Thank you for all you do and continue to do to assist

[CR001]

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[CR001]

Please help. I have British citizenship. My husband (Zimbabwean) is applying to join me here via ancestral visa. His grandfather was British and born in the UK. We got married in 2017 and now would like to be together here in the UK. We have a few issues needing clarification please if anybody can help.

Do you not qualify to apply for a spouse visa??

1. We were able to locate my husbands grandthers birth ceretificate. We have however been unable to locate his fathers birth certificate because in Zimbabwe once a person dies, you have to hand in all identification documents in order to obtain the death certificate. We therefore have a death certificate for his father which also has the grandfathers name on. Do we just submit his grandfathers birth certificate and his fathers death certificate and then explain in additional information?

Was his grandfather born in the UK?? The requirement is to submit birth certificates. You can try with the death cert, no guarantees though.

2. Can I also add the fact that we are married and hand in our marriage certificate as supporting evidence and will that not then affect the ancestry route? One of the questions on online application is asking why Iam sponsoring him, hence that question

Yes, you must complete the form honestly and submit marriage cert. No effect on visa. You cannot sponsor him for this visa, he has to qualify for it in his own right.

3. I am his main sponsor because with the situation in Zimbabwe he is not able to get a job and regular in come or even maintain a bank account. I also send him money from time to time to help out. Do I submit evidence of these transactions too? I am also going to sponsor this visa and trip. Would that be a problem? Do I need to provide special documentation as a sponsor?

There is no requirement that he must be employed in Zimbabwe. The requirement is that he must prove he is intending to seek employment in the UK, hopefully he has done this and at least made an effort to contact agencies etc. How is he going to submit evidence of the substantial funds needed in a bank account in his name, usually HO expect to see a bank account with a balance of no less than roughly ZAR25,000.

4. What information can I add to support this information in the Additional Comments section when applying online.

No requirement to write anything but you might want to explain the birth cert issue for his father.

[Etherneve]

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Ok will do, than you

[Etherneve]

Do you not qualify to apply for a spouse visa??

No

Was his grandfather born in the UK?? The requirement is to submit birth certificates. You can try with the death cert, no guarantees though.

Yes his grandfather was born in the UK. We have his birth certificate.
His father was born in Zimbabwe. We only have his death certificate.

Yes, you must complete the form honestly and submit marriage cert. No effect on visa. You cannot sponsor him for this visa, he has to qualify for it in his own right.

Financially I would have to because of the bank account situation in Zimbabwe

There is no requirement that he must be employed in Zimbabwe. The requirement is that he must prove he is intending to seek employment in the UK, hopefully he has done this and at least made an effort to contact agencies etc. How is he going to submit evidence of the substantial funds needed in a bank account in his name, usually HO expect to see a bank account with a balance of no less than roughly ZAR25,000.

Is there no way round this? This is because the situation in Zimbabwe prohibits the common man from holding a bank account with forex let alone the £2500 plus required for the application. I was going to apply on his behalf online then pay. He would then just go and submit documentation at the Visa Centre in Harare.

[Etherneve]

HELLO my husband does not have an account in Zimbabwe due to the economic situation and finances that keep disappearing from bank accounts. Can he apply for his ancestral visa and explain that i am his sponsor for this trip? I am willing to submitmy bank statements and proof of monies I regularly send to him through the bureau de change. I suppose what I need to know is can he submit an ancestral application with no proof of bank account or income?

[Etherneve]

Hello can anybody help. My partners ancestral visa was denied because the date of birth of both his parents did not match the dates of birth on the birth certificate. They were unable to verify the documents (not sure what this means). He has been given a right to an Administrative Review. Can he do the review and provide an official letter from The relevant office to confirm that the birth certificates are correct and also apologise for the error made on the application form. Please help

[CR001]

What is the exact wording of the refusal letter taking out personal details?

the date of birth of both his parents did not match the dates of birth on the birth certificate. They were unable to verify the documents (not sure what this means).

What exactly do you mean by the dates of birth were different? In what documents etc?

an official letter from The relevant office to confirm that the birth certificates are correct and also apologise for the error made on the application form.

What 'relevant office'? Surely your partner check the application thoroughly before submitting?? For admin review you cannot submit new evidence. AR is for when UKVI makes an error.

[Etherneve]

The date of birth on the application form is different from the date of birth on the birth certificates provided. Not sure how this discrepancy happened but we were thinking of submitting a review and apologising and maybe a letter from the births certificate office berifying the birth certificate

[Etherneve]

In support of your application you submitted your father’s birth certificate. I note you father’s date of birth which you stated on you visa application form (VAF) is 11 June 1912. Your fathers date of birth states on the birth certificate is 10th May 1902.
This shows there are discrepancies present in your application.
I note you provided your mothers birth certificate you stated on your (VAF) that your mothers date of birth is 23 January 1930. Your mothers birth certificate states her date of birth d 23 January 1927.
Due to the discrepancies above, your documents were sent for verification . However we were unable to verify your documents

[CR001]

Those are substantial discrepancies.

Are the parents birth certs genuine or forged/altered? Only asking as ho was unable to verify the document and f a k e doucments are easy to obtain in African countries. You also stated previously that you couldn't get the father's birth certificate.

Who completed the form and how was this mistake even possible without double checking.

Were there any other points of refusal, like funds for example?

[Etherneve]

[*]Are the parents birth certs genuine or forged/altered? Only asking as ho was unable to verify the document and f a k e doucments are easy to obtain in African countries.

We don’t know if they are genuine or fake because we got them from the elder sister. He has brothers who have used the same birth certificate for visas.

“You also stated previously that you couldn't get the father's birth certificate”

True. This is because when you apply for the death certificate you have to hand in the birth certificate.

I completed the form using the date of birth that’s on the death certificate. When submitting documents we did not included the fathers’ birth certificate but they asked for it and we send over the birth certificate from the sister. There are no other reasons for refusal. Just the two birth dates

[CR001]

Not sure how the death cert and birth cert have different dates of birth on them What about the discrepancy with the mothers birth date??

As mentioned when you originally asked, birth certs are mandatory for all relatives you are claiming ancestry through which is exactly why UKVI would have asked for it, specifically to verify its authenticity and detail with the relevant authorities and to confirm the ancestral line and details.

How did he meet the savings element for the visa??

[Etherneve]

ot sure how the death cert and birth cert have different dates of birth on them What about the discrepancy with the mothers birth date??
This is common especially in rural areas. People turn up asking for death certificate and in most cases they have lost the birth. The officer then just asks for a estimate of date of birth.

How did he meet the savings element of the visa??

o submitted my bank statements and letters from work and also regular transactions I make to him monthly to help with his expenses. He also submitted his bank statement and proof of livestock sales and other small jobs he does to earn a living.
Do you maybe think I need to engage a solicitor to do the Administrative Review. Letter says it should be done within 28 days from date of receipt of notice.
It also mentions “the reasons for refusal are set out above. Please consider carefully before requesting a review. You should not send in any supporting evidence unless requested to do so by the administrative reviewer or if you have been refused under paragraph 320 (7A) or (7B) of the Immigration rules.

[CR001]

Your choice if you choose to use a solicitor but using one has no influence on Admin review process.

As mentioned, Admin Review is the process for when you believe UKVI or HO have made an error in their decision. Which is not the case here. The refusal was based on information and documents you/your partner supplied which was incorrect and could not be verified. It might have been prudent on your part to only complete and submit the paperwork once you had all the required mandatory documents rather than what appears to be a bit of a rush to get it done and hope for the best.

I am from South Africa, right next to Zimbabwe and I know how most of these southern African government departments work in terms of official papers, but for UK visa purposes, it is always the applicants responsibility to provide factual, honest and accurate information and if something is amiss, a concise letter explaining why there is an omission of a required document or why there is an error in something. The last thing your partner wants is an accusation from UKVI of using deception or false documents as that could attract a 10 year ban for any visas and I really hope that this reason was not stated in the letter either.

[Etherneve]

Oh dear. Might be better to just leave it and reapply when the time is right. Thank you so much for your responses.

[CR001]

Why not look into applying for a spouse visa instead??

[Etherneve]

My income is less than the 18000 required. Other requiements I can meet except that one

[CR001]

Can you get another job or a second job to increase your income?

Do you have any savings?

[Etherneve]

I could get a second job but childcare would be an issue. The savings I had went towards the visa fees and health insurance. If they refund the IHS maybe I could use that towards savings and apply for the spousal visa

[CR001]

I could get a second job but childcare would be an issue. The savings I had went towards the visa fees and health insurance. If they refund the IHS maybe I could use that towards savings and apply for the spousal visa

IHS will be refunded yes. To use savings though, you need at least £16,000 but likely more.