Nadra Marriage Certificate

[sm0127]

My fiancé is currently living in Ireland and has applied for Stamp 4 permit. We’ve agreed that rather than I moving to Ireland, he will move to Pakistan, and we will marry there. This effectively means he will withdraw his Stamp 4 application. We’ll then apply for his visa from Pakistan for the U.K.

Are there any implications to this? And is the best route?

We’ve chosen this route because I have a really good job here and it doesn’t make sense for me to uproot my life and then struggle on my return - it’s better for one person to be unemployed than two!

It was an arranged/by choice marriage. We were introduced in December 2018 and since then we’ve had consistent communication (mainly text and calls). By April, this will be four months of consistent conversation.
How do I prove the communication?
What kind of conversation should be shown?
Should it be 2-3 screenshots per day to evidence communication?
Should I print off the conversation log? (although an argument could be that this can be falsified).
What else do I need to include to prove it is a genuine and subsisting relationship?
Do any pictures need to be noted with dates/times/explanation?

[sm0127]

And also, do we have to declare his Stamp4 visa application?

[arsy20]

And also, do we have to declare his Stamp4 visa application?

Yes best to declare it. I have read on this forum about people hiding previous applications and being refused.

[sm0127]

Declare even though the Irish stamp 4 isn’t a refusal or based on false documents / documents but a voluntary withdrawal? It’s simply for long term ease that we’d rather go through the longer process so that I don’t have to leave my work place

[arsy20]

Declare even though the Irish stamp 4 isn’t a refusal or based on false documents / documents but a voluntary withdrawal? It’s simply for long term ease that we’d rather go through the longer process so that I don’t have to leave my work place

yes declare it. declare that you voluntary withdrew it. some recently on this forum got refused because they didn't mention a previous application the withdrew

[arsy20]

My fiancé is currently living in Ireland and has applied for Stamp 4 permit. We’ve agreed that rather than I moving to Ireland, he will move to Pakistan, and we will marry there. This effectively means he will withdraw his Stamp 4 application. We’ll then apply for his visa from Pakistan for the U.K.

Are there any implications to this? And is the best route?

We’ve chosen this route because I have a really good job here and it doesn’t make sense for me to uproot my life and then struggle on my return - it’s better for one person to be unemployed than two!

It was an arranged/by choice marriage. We were introduced in December 2018 and since then we’ve had consistent communication (mainly text and calls). By April, this will be four months of consistent conversation.
How do I prove the communication?
What kind of conversation should be shown?
Should it be 2-3 screenshots per day to evidence communication?
Should I print off the conversation log? (although an argument could be that this can be falsified).
What else do I need to include to prove it is a genuine and subsisting relationship?
Do any pictures need to be noted with dates/times/explanation?

Not sure about best route to take but can help with proof of communication. Yeah 2 screenshots per day from December to April would be plenty.

Also call logs. Again screenshots.

Dont print the conversation log. Take screenshots.

Pictures from the wedding day of the couple together. Decent amount of wedding pictures and some pictures after the wedding of the couple together would help. You can note dates, times and explanations, there is no harm in it.

Keep any receipts of purchases will help.

[sm0127]

Brilliant. Thank you. Should the conversations show anything specific? Eg future plans etc or is the purpose of communication to simply see consistent communication?

[CR001]

Brilliant. Thank you. Should the conversations show anything specific? Eg future plans etc or is the purpose of communication to simply see consistent communication?

This one highlighted.

[sm0127]

Brilliant. Thank you.
Any comments re first question would be appreciated

[CR001]

Which question exactly??

[sm0127]

This

My fiancé is currently living in Ireland and has applied for Stamp 4 permit. We’ve agreed that rather than I moving to Ireland, he will move to Pakistan, and we will marry there. This effectively means he will withdraw his Stamp 4 application. We’ll then apply for his visa from Pakistan for the U.K.

Are there any implications to this? And is the best route?

We’ve chosen this route because I have a really good job here and it doesn’t make sense for me to uproot my life and then struggle on my return - it’s better for one person to be unemployed than two!

[sm0127]

My understanding is that previous visa applications must be declared...
I thought this meant any previous applications made by the sponsor, eg. I haven’t made any. Is this right?

My husband to be was in the UK initially on a student visa and then moved to Ireland and is legally working there. Do we have to declare his student visa application and any application for Ireland too? Bearing in mind that as we are marrying in Pakistan, his Ireland visa application for a stamp 4 will be voluntarily withdrawn.

[CR001]

I thought this meant any previous applications made by the sponsor, eg. I haven’t made any. Is this right?

No, it is the applicants previous applications and history.

My husband to be was in the UK initially on a student visa and then moved to Ireland and is legally working there. Do we have to declare his student visa application and any application for Ireland too? Bearing in mind that as we are marrying in Pakistan, his Ireland visa application for a stamp 4 will be voluntarily withdrawn.

ALL applications must be stated, even the withdrawn one as HO do check with Ireland. There was a recent refusal of a spouse visa for failing to declare their Irish application that was withdrawn.

[sm0127]

My fiancé’s expired passports are currently with Ireland’s Immigration office (I’m not sure what the official name is!). It’s in process for a Stamp4 but as per my previous posts - this will be voluntarily withdrawn. He had another passport which was lost and one valid one in his possession. Three in total.

For the spouse application to be made in a few months, will we need to request the expired passports?

[seagul]

If you are voluntarily withdrawing from Irish visa process then you definitely will get back your passport even expired from them. You must have disclosed all passports to Irish visa authority during and at the beginning of the visa process. And you will definitely have to declare all previous passports in spouse visa application unless they were lost/stolen but with reason.

[sm0127]

Firstly, apologies. I keep thinking of new questions and posting as new topics. Currently getting used to the forum logistics so if there is a way to put all together - please let me know.

I’ve met with a solicitor to talk about the process and have been reviewing topics on here to look at other people’s experiences. most of my questions have now been answered bar one which is in relation to this Appendix 2 form that I keep seeing popping up.

My understanding is that I as the sponsor submit a bundle in the UK... My fiancé submits his passport, TB, English language certificate (assuming A1?), and biometrics in Pakistan. Who submits this Appendix 2? The solicitor advises that I would submit everything here apart from the ones he needs to. Is this correct?

[sm0127]

I’m actually pretty confused now as to what gets submitted where. Please can it be clarified what i(the sponsor) submits and where... And what he (the applicant) submits and where?

[ariamus]

In Pakistan, the applicant needs to attend the biometrics appointment at which they will also submit their passport.

All other documents, including TB certificate and A1 English certificate need sending to you in the UK.

You can then submit above and all other documents to Sheffield via Royal Mail Special Delivery. Remember to include a paid for large enough envelope so documents can be returned to you - put Special Delivery postage on that also.

[sm0127]

Thank you! Any clarification on this Appendix 2 form? I am using a solicitor for the application but I’d like to be aware of all requirements too so I can ensure everything is correct.

[ariamus]

Appendix 2 also to be sent to Sheffield with all other documents.

[sm0127]

I see a lot of posts in which people have been contacted by the case worker for an interview and employers have been contacted too. Is this an additional step in the process? Or what would trigger the contact by the case worker?

[seagul]

I see a lot of posts in which people have been contacted by the case worker for an interview and employers have been contacted too. Is this an additional step in the process? Or what would trigger the contact by the case worker?

Not everyone is being interviewed and their employers are being contacted but if this happens then its all part of process usually just before of decision.

[sm0127]

An update:
So my fiancé and I have been having many conversations over what he will do (employment wise) in Pakistan... And job prospects etc (his immigration history in previous posts)...
He’s considering that we wed in Pakistan, and he then applies for a work permit in the UAE and work there whilst I apply for his spousal visa via UAE. My thought process is that this may be too complicated for his immigration history and it may be questioned when it comes to the application (that he’s moving around, and has job prospects in UAE therefore doesn’t need to join me and I join him instead) my suggestion to him is that he stays in Pakistan and just looks for work there

Any thoughts?

[ariamus]

Without knowing the history, I think you would be creating your own problems if you bring UAE into it.

Simply marry him in Pakistan and apply for his visa. A visa decision typically takes 3 months unless you pay for priority and surely this is quicker than he’ll even get a UAE visa and travel over there.

Why is he in a rush to work in UAE?

Are you earning over £18,600 or have sufficient savings to satisfy the financial requirements?

[sm0127]

I don’t think priority is available in Pakistan / Islamabad if I’m not wrong and my exact thoughts are that he going to uae will over complicate matters in terms of declarations etc

I think his concerns are over job prospects in Pakistan and being able to stay current with the demands of a work life skills - of course I can only tell him what I think but can’t enforce where he should work (eg PK or UAE)

Yes - I meet all requirements so that isn’t a concern on my side. It’s areanged but with choice so genuine/subsisting aspect of it is being built on