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Re: delay in citizenship application - applied in 2016

Post by Captainf » Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:55 pm

Same shit different day... Sent 2 emails in June, haven't even replied yet...

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Re: delay in citizenship application - applied in 2016

Post by RajSingh1 » Sun Aug 04, 2019 8:35 pm

Hey guys did anyone get the invitation for the September ceremony yet. For the love of God when will I get my citizenship three god damn years I have been waiting.

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Re: delay in citizenship application - applied in 2016

Post by alaxa » Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:57 pm

Hi guys
Can you give some information is it Approved letter they send to the lawyer or home ? Bec I applied through lawyer. Anybody can let me know please.
Thanks

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Re: delay in citizenship application - applied in 2016

Post by markem » Fri Aug 16, 2019 12:08 pm

markem wrote:
Tue May 28, 2019 9:34 am
aneelrahim wrote:
Tue May 28, 2019 9:22 am
PPl from Pakistan get citizenship but normally waiting more then 15 months. Have you find anyone get earlier than it
No. But I'm not sure anyone has facts on that by country of origin.
I am trying to answer this question based on posts to this forum where people have identified their 'home' country. This is a work in progress, but I'm posting anyway as it will get better over time as I get more data (chart will update automatically). The numbers in the labels are how many applications I have recorded for each country. I've only included countries with 4 or more data points. Still, it's not going to be very accurate at this stage.

There are a couple of observations about Pakistan. Firstly, there are a few people who have been waiting for a very long time, so the average waiting time appears much higher than any other country. Secondly, the average time to approval does appear longer than India and UK. I wouldn't yet compare it to the other countries without more data.

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Timeline threads here:
2020 /
2019 / 2018 / 2017 / 2016

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Re: delay in citizenship application - applied in 2016

Post by RajSingh1 » Mon Aug 19, 2019 3:58 pm

markem wrote:
Fri Aug 16, 2019 12:08 pm
markem wrote:
Tue May 28, 2019 9:34 am
aneelrahim wrote:
Tue May 28, 2019 9:22 am
PPl from Pakistan get citizenship but normally waiting more then 15 months. Have you find anyone get earlier than it
No. But I'm not sure anyone has facts on that by country of origin.
I am trying to answer this question based on posts to this forum where people have identified their 'home' country. This is a work in progress, but I'm posting anyway as it will get better over time as I get more data (chart will update automatically). The numbers in the labels are how many applications I have recorded for each country. I've only included countries with 4 or more data points. Still, it's not going to be very accurate at this stage.

There are a couple of observations about Pakistan. Firstly, there are a few people who have been waiting for a very long time, so the average waiting time appears much higher than any other country. Secondly, the average time to approval does appear longer than India and UK. I wouldn't yet compare it to the other countries without more data.

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Hi markem
Can you make a chart like this for people from Afghanistan

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Re: delay in citizenship application - applied in 2016

Post by markem » Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:14 pm

RajSingh1 wrote:
Mon Aug 19, 2019 3:58 pm
Can you make a chart like this for people from Afghanistan
Not really. As there are only two users (yourself and Captainf) who I know are from Afghanistan it's not very meaningful data.
Timeline threads here:
2020 /
2019 / 2018 / 2017 / 2016

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Re: delay in citizenship application - applied in 2016

Post by M7edShin » Tue Aug 20, 2019 2:07 pm

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Well done about the chart and gathering data man, keep that up.. statistics would give aproximate time frame based on the country.

I hope Egyptians do not have to wait longer than 2 years :D

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Re: delay in citizenship application - applied in 2016

Post by RajSingh1 » Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:32 pm

markem wrote:
Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:14 pm
RajSingh1 wrote:
Mon Aug 19, 2019 3:58 pm
Can you make a chart like this for people from Afghanistan
Not really. As there are only two users (yourself and Captainf) who I know are from Afghanistan it's not very meaningful data.
I think the department doesn't give citizenship easily to people from middle Eastern countries. I don't know anyone from those countries getting citizenship in less then a year. Same story with people who have refugee status. It takes more than 2 years, while on the other hand polish, Nigerian Indian, Chinese, Brazilian they don't wait that long. They get their citizenship within a year. While some of us are still here waiting for more than 3 years. They system is too slow while they handle our case.

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Re: delay in citizenship application - applied in 2016

Post by M7edShin » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:07 am

RajSingh1 wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:32 pm
markem wrote:
Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:14 pm
RajSingh1 wrote:
Mon Aug 19, 2019 3:58 pm
Can you make a chart like this for people from Afghanistan
Not really. As there are only two users (yourself and Captainf) who I know are from Afghanistan it's not very meaningful data.
I think the department doesn't give citizenship easily to people from middle Eastern countries. I don't know anyone from those countries getting citizenship in less then a year. Same story with people who have refugee status. It takes more than 2 years, while on the other hand polish, Nigerian Indian, Chinese, Brazilian they don't wait that long. They get their citizenship within a year. While some of us are still here waiting for more than 3 years. They system is too slow while they handle our case.
To be honest it's no really obvious, you could be right regarding some sort of discrimination from one country to another but I would believe more into political and countries agreements and business between Ireland and the country you are from. Keep in mind, some of middle east and african countries are very slow and bad systems. Probably Ireland side is done and they sent your application to check your background but your country is bad and slow to provide such info.. YOU NEVER KNOW

The good part in Ireland is the Minister of justice will have to provide any rejected applicants why and reason behind it, which is fair enough to know and I would say they are careful with reasons as it cannot be relate it to beliefs, color skin or any sort of discrimination because you could bring them down in a court easy winning case with a good lawyer.

I know it's frustrating keeping us waiting and treating us like that but do not forget, Ireland is still improving their system in everything and just require a good managment to resolve a problem :D

I hope I and yourself to hear a good news soon but I somehow gave up waiting at least for this year because I have seen people with over a year after their 2nd stage and I have got my 2nd stage letter just back in June so I will start to worry April 2020 as I am giving myself a year from the 2nd stage letter.

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Re: delay in citizenship application - applied in 2016

Post by Captainf » Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:36 pm

:evil: After 3 years received a letter asking again to submit my national passport, although I had already provided them with an Affidavit that I don't have national passport 3 yrs ago... Yet again asking to provide new Affidavit...

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Re: delay in citizenship application - applied in 2016

Post by nojoyfrominis » Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:26 am

It is good news as they are working on your file and most probably you will be included in the next ceremony whenever that happens.

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Re: delay in citizenship application - applied in 2016

Post by amwaraich » Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:29 am

Hello Guys,
I am back here after a long time. I already suggested you all that you must go to court but some people are too scared to go to court because it may make the department angry and they may get refusal.

I made a mistake to go to court after 2.5 years. I should have gone after 1 year as I did for my wife now. Immediately after one year she applied for JR. In the first hearing, department requested the court to give them some more time to make their submissions. The court gave them time and told them no time will be given anymore. Next hearing is coming up and department have to decide or make submissions as to why application decision is late.

One more thing, department cannot refuse application just because you went to court untill or unless you didn't disclose all the information they asked. If department refuses application for an obvious reason already disclosed in application, it will be considered malafide after such a long time. This type of refusal can further be challenged in court.

If you people want to wait indefinitely, it is your choice. The department wouldn't give a damn about it if you are patiently waiting for their convenience to work on your file.

If you are completely clueless about what to do. PM me and I will point you to the right direction.

By the way I got my approval through court. I even got my ceremony invitation through court within 5 days otherwise department was going to postpone my ceremony to the next one.

Wish you all good luck.

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Re: delay in citizenship application - applied in 2016

Post by alhakeem » Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:32 am

Congratulations

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Re: delay in citizenship application - applied in 2016

Post by Lily3 » Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:03 pm

amwaraich wrote:
Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:29 am
Hello Guys,
I am back here after a long time. I already suggested you all that you must go to court but some people are too scared to go to court because it may make the department angry and they may get refusal.

I made a mistake to go to court after 2.5 years. I should have gone after 1 year as I did for my wife now. Immediately after one year she applied for JR. In the first hearing, department requested the court to give them some more time to make their submissions. The court gave them time and told them no time will be given anymore. Next hearing is coming up and department have to decide or make submissions as to why application decision is late.

One more thing, department cannot refuse application just because you went to court untill or unless you didn't disclose all the information they asked. If department refuses application for an obvious reason already disclosed in application, it will be considered malafide after such a long time. This type of refusal can further be challenged in court.

If you people want to wait indefinitely, it is your choice. The department wouldn't give a damn about it if you are patiently waiting for their convenience to work on your file.

If you are completely clueless about what to do. PM me and I will point you to the right direction.

By the way I got my approval through court. I even got my ceremony invitation through court within 5 days otherwise department was going to postpone my ceremony to the next one.

Wish you all good luck.
Hi. Would you please let me know when did you get approval?

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Re: delay in citizenship application - applied in 2016

Post by amwaraich » Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:44 pm

Lily3 wrote:
Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:03 pm

Hi. Would you please let me know when did you get approval?
I got approval in Oct 2018 and I applied in April 2016.

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Re: delay in citizenship application - applied in 2016

Post by Lily3 » Sat Nov 09, 2019 3:45 pm

amwaraich wrote:
Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:44 pm
Lily3 wrote:
Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:03 pm

Hi. Would you please let me know when did you get approval?
I got approval in Oct 2018 and I applied in April 2016.
Thanks for the reply. I think at this time because of the Judge statement they are not going to send approvals until it is resolved. Just don’t know for how long we’ll have to wait.

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Re: delay in citizenship application - applied in 2016

Post by amwaraich » Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:36 am

Lily3 wrote:
Sat Nov 09, 2019 3:45 pm

Thanks for the reply. I think at this time because of the Judge statement they are not going to send approvals until it is resolved. Just don’t know for how long we’ll have to wait.
This could be a reason but it doesn't apply to people who didn't go outside Ireland in their last year of application. This judgement doesn't apply to people who applied on the basis of Irish Associations as well. I am not sure about Irish Spouses. I will have a look at it.

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Re: delay in citizenship application - applied in 2016

Post by Esha011 » Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:32 pm

I m only one waiting from 2016 ? :( 😔😔

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Re: delay in citizenship application - applied in 2016

Post by SabrAyoub » Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:38 pm

amwaraich wrote:
Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:29 am
Hello Guys,
I am back here after a long time. I already suggested you all that you must go to court but some people are too scared to go to court because it may make the department angry and they may get refusal.

I made a mistake to go to court after 2.5 years. I should have gone after 1 year as I did for my wife now. Immediately after one year she applied for JR. In the first hearing, department requested the court to give them some more time to make their submissions. The court gave them time and told them no time will be given anymore. Next hearing is coming up and department have to decide or make submissions as to why application decision is late.

One more thing, department cannot refuse application just because you went to court untill or unless you didn't disclose all the information they asked. If department refuses application for an obvious reason already disclosed in application, it will be considered malafide after such a long time. This type of refusal can further be challenged in court.

If you people want to wait indefinitely, it is your choice. The department wouldn't give a damn about it if you are patiently waiting for their convenience to work on your file.

If you are completely clueless about what to do. PM me and I will point you to the right direction.

By the way I got my approval through court. I even got my ceremony invitation through court within 5 days otherwise department was going to postpone my ceremony to the next one.

Wish you all good luck.
I would love to know more about the process. I can’t PM you, can you please PM me details on how to submit my case to court?

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Re: delay in citizenship application - applied in 2016

Post by CR001 » Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:43 pm

SabrAyoub wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:38 pm
I would love to know more about the process. I can’t PM you, can you please PM me details on how to submit my case to court?
You don't have access to the privilege of the PM function yet as a newly registered member. Neither to send PMs or receive them.
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